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''You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.'' | ''You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.'' | ||
S: Hello and welcome to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe. Today is Tuesday July 2nd 2013 and this is your host Steven Novella. Joining me this week are Bob Novella, | |||
B: Hey everybody. | |||
S: Rebecca Watson. | |||
R: Hello Everyone. | |||
S: Jay Novella. | |||
J: Hey guys. | |||
S: Evan Bernstein. | |||
E: Hello Everyone. | |||
S: And we have a special guest rogue this week, Randall Snyder. Randall, welcome to the skeptics' guide. | |||
RS: Good evening everyone, it's great to be here, it's a dream come true. | |||
E: Hey, Randall. | |||
RS: How have you guys been? | |||
J: Pretty good budy, how have you been man? | |||
S: Good thanks. | |||
E: Yeah, we've been good, it's been a while right? | |||
RS: Yeah, it's good to be back. | |||
J: Randall, we haven't talked in what, three weeks, it's good to have you back on the show, man. | |||
R: You guys are really selling this by the way. This is totally believable. | |||
(laughter). | |||
S: So Randall is a loyal listener of the SGU and we brought him on because we wanted to talk about his experience in the Mormon Church. Now we're going to talk about that after Rebecca tels us about this day in skepticism, but just to start a little bit, were you in LDS? Is that the version of the church that you were in? | |||
RS: Yeah, i only had one wife. | |||
J: Is that what that means? | |||
RS: LDS means fundamentalist Later Day Saints and they are an offshoot of the main one in Salt Lake City and they never accepted polygamy being abandoned in 1890 and 1905 and so they're the ones that live on those secluded communities. | |||
E: Mhm. Big love and all that. | |||
R: Warren Jeffs was there, leading it right? | |||
RS: That's the ones where they kick off all the young men so that the old guys can have 13 and 14 year old girls to marry. Not what I was associated with. I was in the mainstream one. | |||
== This Day in Skepticism <small>()</small> == | == This Day in Skepticism <small>()</small> == | ||
* July 6, 1885: Pasteur injects the first rabies vaccine. | * July 6, 1885: Pasteur injects the first rabies vaccine. | ||
S: Well Rebecca, tell us first about Louis Pasteur. | |||
R: Way to ruin the surprise, Steve. | |||
S: Oh, sorry. | |||
R: yes on July 6th 1885, Louis Pasteur successfully tested the first rabies vaccine, did it on a little boy that had taunted a rabid dog, was bitten by the dog and was thereby in danger of dying a truly horrible death. Pasteur had previously worked that that he might be able to prevent rabies from taking hold using a weakened rabies virus that he had weakened in rabbits but he had tested it only on dogs prior to this so at this point he tested it on his first human, Joseph Meister who lived so he saved his life. | |||
RS: Much like Brad Pit on World War Z. | |||
R: Not yet. Not ready. It was a good attempt, we're not quite there yet, but yes. | |||
S: We call that a premature segue. | |||
R: Happens to most men at some point. | |||
S: Meister was 9 years old at the time. Rabies has like a 100% mortality rate, and he lived to be 74, I mean Pasteur saved his life. | |||
R: He lived to be 64. | |||
S: Oh you're right, 64. I can't add. 64. | |||
R: He became the caretaker of the Pasteur Institute actually and he served as caretaker until his death. He died quite tragically, he committed suicide on the occasion of the German invasion of Paris. Kind of a sad end, but it was kind of cool that he did live as a young kid and he went on to care quite a bit about what Pasteur was doing. | |||
S: Pasteur was uber-cool, his career was just unbelievably amazing, all the things that he did. He sort of broke through with the whole notion of microbes, little germs causing disease. Once you have that insight, he ran with that ball really far. | |||
R: He was one of the first microbiologists. It didn't really exist as a discipline before him. | |||
E: Hey Steve, quick question, when something has a 100% fatality rate, it's OK to do experimental vaccinations and stuff on people right? | |||
S: Well it's ethically easier, there's something called compassionate use, there are normal ethical rules for experimentation and for using drugs off-label, for using experimental treatments, are relaxed significantly if somebody has an unavoidably terminal illness. The rationale is, what have they got to lose? If they're willing to try some desperate experimental treatment, it's reasonable to do that if the only alternative is certain short term death. | |||
== Speical Report <small>()</small> == | == Speical Report <small>()</small> == | ||
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R: Rebecca Watson |
J: Jay Novella |
E: Evan Bernstein |
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RS: Randall Snyder |
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Introduction
You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.
S: Hello and welcome to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe. Today is Tuesday July 2nd 2013 and this is your host Steven Novella. Joining me this week are Bob Novella,
B: Hey everybody.
S: Rebecca Watson.
R: Hello Everyone.
S: Jay Novella.
J: Hey guys.
S: Evan Bernstein.
E: Hello Everyone.
S: And we have a special guest rogue this week, Randall Snyder. Randall, welcome to the skeptics' guide.
RS: Good evening everyone, it's great to be here, it's a dream come true.
E: Hey, Randall.
RS: How have you guys been?
J: Pretty good budy, how have you been man?
S: Good thanks.
E: Yeah, we've been good, it's been a while right?
RS: Yeah, it's good to be back.
J: Randall, we haven't talked in what, three weeks, it's good to have you back on the show, man.
R: You guys are really selling this by the way. This is totally believable.
(laughter).
S: So Randall is a loyal listener of the SGU and we brought him on because we wanted to talk about his experience in the Mormon Church. Now we're going to talk about that after Rebecca tels us about this day in skepticism, but just to start a little bit, were you in LDS? Is that the version of the church that you were in?
RS: Yeah, i only had one wife.
J: Is that what that means?
RS: LDS means fundamentalist Later Day Saints and they are an offshoot of the main one in Salt Lake City and they never accepted polygamy being abandoned in 1890 and 1905 and so they're the ones that live on those secluded communities.
E: Mhm. Big love and all that.
R: Warren Jeffs was there, leading it right?
RS: That's the ones where they kick off all the young men so that the old guys can have 13 and 14 year old girls to marry. Not what I was associated with. I was in the mainstream one.
This Day in Skepticism ()
- July 6, 1885: Pasteur injects the first rabies vaccine.
S: Well Rebecca, tell us first about Louis Pasteur.
R: Way to ruin the surprise, Steve.
S: Oh, sorry.
R: yes on July 6th 1885, Louis Pasteur successfully tested the first rabies vaccine, did it on a little boy that had taunted a rabid dog, was bitten by the dog and was thereby in danger of dying a truly horrible death. Pasteur had previously worked that that he might be able to prevent rabies from taking hold using a weakened rabies virus that he had weakened in rabbits but he had tested it only on dogs prior to this so at this point he tested it on his first human, Joseph Meister who lived so he saved his life.
RS: Much like Brad Pit on World War Z.
R: Not yet. Not ready. It was a good attempt, we're not quite there yet, but yes.
S: We call that a premature segue.
R: Happens to most men at some point.
S: Meister was 9 years old at the time. Rabies has like a 100% mortality rate, and he lived to be 74, I mean Pasteur saved his life.
R: He lived to be 64.
S: Oh you're right, 64. I can't add. 64.
R: He became the caretaker of the Pasteur Institute actually and he served as caretaker until his death. He died quite tragically, he committed suicide on the occasion of the German invasion of Paris. Kind of a sad end, but it was kind of cool that he did live as a young kid and he went on to care quite a bit about what Pasteur was doing.
S: Pasteur was uber-cool, his career was just unbelievably amazing, all the things that he did. He sort of broke through with the whole notion of microbes, little germs causing disease. Once you have that insight, he ran with that ball really far.
R: He was one of the first microbiologists. It didn't really exist as a discipline before him.
E: Hey Steve, quick question, when something has a 100% fatality rate, it's OK to do experimental vaccinations and stuff on people right?
S: Well it's ethically easier, there's something called compassionate use, there are normal ethical rules for experimentation and for using drugs off-label, for using experimental treatments, are relaxed significantly if somebody has an unavoidably terminal illness. The rationale is, what have they got to lose? If they're willing to try some desperate experimental treatment, it's reasonable to do that if the only alternative is certain short term death.
Speical Report ()
- Leaving Mormonism: Ex-Mormon and guest rogue, Randall Snyder, discusses his experience.
News Items
Crop Circles in History ()
Constructing Morality ()
Movie Review: World War Z ()
Who's That Noisy? ()
- Answer will be revealed next week
Questions and Emails ()
Question 1: Podcast Patent ()
Science or Fiction ()
Item #1: The Cheetah genus, Acinonyx, is the oldest of the extant big cats, dating back about 11 million years. Item #2: Cheetahs make several vocalizations, including a warning roar that is often mistaken for that of a lion, which they use to scare larger predators from their kills. Item #3: A recent study using gps enabled tracking collars clocked cheetah hunting speeds at up to 58 mph (93 kmh). Item #4: The name "cheetah" comes from an Indian word meaning "spotted one."
Skeptical Quote of the Week ()
The pursuit of truth in science transcends national boundaries. It takes us beyond hatred and anger and fear. It is the best of us.
J: Arthur Eddington!
Announcements ()
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