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== This Day in Skepticism <small>()</small> ==
== Whaddya Know: Antimicrobial Copper ==
 
* [https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/zapping-a-cold-with-copper/ Science-Based Medicine: Zapping a Cold with Copper]<ref>[https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/zapping-a-cold-with-copper/ Science-Based Medicine: Zapping a Cold with Copper]</ref>
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* [https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/terminally-ill-scientist-completes-transformation-20871943 Mirror: Terminally-ill scientist completes transformation into 'world's first full cyborg']<ref>[https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/terminally-ill-scientist-completes-transformation-20871943 Mirror: Terminally-ill scientist completes transformation into 'world's first full cyborg']</ref>


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=== Question #1: Craniometry <small>()</small> ===


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<p style="line-height:115%">First, in Evan's introductory description of craniometry was that it was "long-ago debunked as pseudo-science." He continues saying that craniometry is "the study of the shape and form of the human head or skull. Craniometrists would take precise measurements using landmarks on the skull. ... The idea behind it is that you would compare one skull with another and then make statistical comparisons between populations. The underlying assumption of craniometry is that skull size and shape determine brain size, which determines such things as intelligence and capacity for moral behavior." <!--The underlined part here (we can't see this part in the show notes page) --> Part of this is not entirely correct. Yes, the size of the cranial vault does lead to certain assumptions about brain size (especially when measuring the endocranial capacity), but it in no way is used to estimate intelligence or moral behavior. That is an antiquated way of interpreting craniometric data that has long been debunked, as you all noted on the show. Rather, the form of the skull is a record of past and present evolutionary processes that we can utilize to infer the evolution of the human skull, population histories, and the interaction between genetics and environmental/developmental factors in shaping the skull.


<p style="line-height:115%">Second, the discussion focused on the discriminatory application of craniometrics and did not mention the valid scientific use of it. This presents the idea that craniometrics is for discriminatory purposes only. While you did note that it all depends on how such things are used, there was no counterbalance to the racist applications. This caused this segment of the show to come across as "craniometry is entirely a pseudo-science for which it is solely used for discriminatory practices." I completely understand that you all do not have a lot of time to address each topic fully; however, a better balanced introduction would have been enough (for me at least) to show that craniometry is a valid science with real-world applications. Thanks again for your time and consideration! Mahalo!<br>— Kat </p></blockquote>
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SGU Episode 749
November 16th 2019
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SGU 748                      SGU 750

Skeptical Rogues
S: Steven Novella


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Introduction[edit]

Voiceover: You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.


Whaddya Know: Antimicrobial Copper[edit]

News Items[edit]

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E:

(laughs) (laughter) (applause) [inaudible]

AI: Will to Survive ()[edit]

First Cyborg ()[edit]

Confessions of an Astrologer ()[edit]

National Parks and Mental Health ()[edit]

Meat from Air ()[edit]

Who's That Noisy? ()[edit]

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Questions/Emails/Corrections/Follow-ups ()[edit]

Question #1: Craniometry ()[edit]

Thank you for the response! I really appreciate you taking the time to respond to me. I would like to clarify why I provided the feedback that I did. I went back and re-listened to the segment.

First, in Evan's introductory description of craniometry was that it was "long-ago debunked as pseudo-science." He continues saying that craniometry is "the study of the shape and form of the human head or skull. Craniometrists would take precise measurements using landmarks on the skull. ... The idea behind it is that you would compare one skull with another and then make statistical comparisons between populations. The underlying assumption of craniometry is that skull size and shape determine brain size, which determines such things as intelligence and capacity for moral behavior." Part of this is not entirely correct. Yes, the size of the cranial vault does lead to certain assumptions about brain size (especially when measuring the endocranial capacity), but it in no way is used to estimate intelligence or moral behavior. That is an antiquated way of interpreting craniometric data that has long been debunked, as you all noted on the show. Rather, the form of the skull is a record of past and present evolutionary processes that we can utilize to infer the evolution of the human skull, population histories, and the interaction between genetics and environmental/developmental factors in shaping the skull.

Second, the discussion focused on the discriminatory application of craniometrics and did not mention the valid scientific use of it. This presents the idea that craniometrics is for discriminatory purposes only. While you did note that it all depends on how such things are used, there was no counterbalance to the racist applications. This caused this segment of the show to come across as "craniometry is entirely a pseudo-science for which it is solely used for discriminatory practices." I completely understand that you all do not have a lot of time to address each topic fully; however, a better balanced introduction would have been enough (for me at least) to show that craniometry is a valid science with real-world applications. Thanks again for your time and consideration! Mahalo!
— Kat

Science or Fiction ()[edit]

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Fiction Musk donation
Science Settled for cornell
Science
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Theme: Carl Sagan
Item #1: Elon Musk donated an undisclosed amount of money, but known to be north of 10 million dollars, to create the Carl Sagan Collection at the Library of Congress.[7]
Item #2: He was passed over for promotion at Harvard, because his work was considered to be too wordy and useless. So he settled for a job at Cornell instead.[8]
Item #3: Sagan dictated all of his writing, including all of his books, to cassette for someone else to transcribe.[9]

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Signoff/Announcements ()[edit]

S: —and until next week, this is your Skeptics' Guide to the Universe.

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