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SGU Episode 413
15th June 2013
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SGU 412                      SGU 414
Skeptical Rogues
S: Steven Novella
R: Rebecca Watson
J: Jay Novella
E: Evan Bernstein
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The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character - that is the goal of true education.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Introduction

You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.

This Day in Skepticism ()

June 15 1667: The first human blood transfusion is administered by Dr. Jean-Baptiste Denys.

News Items

Vaccine Refusal ()

• The Register-Guard: Vaccine opt-out change advances

Seeing Ultraviolet ()

• Komar.org: Ultra Violet Color Glow after Cataract Surgery with Crystalens

Ape Feet ()

• The BBC: Ape-like feet 'found in study of museum visitors'

Elizabeth I a Man? ()

• The Daily Mail: Is this proof the Virgin Queen was an imposter in drag? Shocking new theory about Elizabeth I unearthed in historic manuscripts

Special Report: Follow Up on Don McLeroy ()

• Neurologica Blog: Final Response from Don McLeroy

Who's That Noisy? ()

• Answer to last week: Anne Sullivan

Questions and Emails ()

Living on Sunshine ()

Seattle woman attempts to live on sunlight water Thought you guys might find this interesting. It will be interesting if she admits failure or fakes it. http://q13fox.com/2013/06/05/seattle-woman-attempts-to-live-on-sunlight-water/#axzz2VSmso96j Neil Canada

Science or Fiction ()

Item #1: A new study finds that only 5% of people properly wash their hands after using the bathroom. Item #2: Researchers find that 35% of designated drivers still drank alcohol, most to the point of impairing their driving. Item #3: Despite being mandatory in some hospitals, less than 50% of health care workers received the flu vaccine in 2012.

Skeptical Quote of the Week ()

The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character - that is the goal of true education.

J: Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.!

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today's Tuesday June 11 2013 Steven novella joining me this week hello everyone Chino Valley guys and Steven Bernstein the 123 we are missing 11 Road and when I get back is it okay to do then we have to be without a limb any less important show goes it every episode 3 times if you do first from insanity tragical don't hold on to read what time is it in his back later trolino show hey do you think the first human blood transfusion happened to Brock June 15th 1667 Way Dr Jean Baptiste Denise to do it wasn't human to human in get what you want but he did was he bled a boy with leeches 20 times and then back up with 12 ounces of sheep blood banks yeah I did not as bad as you say cuz cuz it was only ounces vs boy surprised and they didn't record kind of tick reactions organ failure blood coursing Sherita negative reality destroyed it as a foreign body just wasn't enough to cause a killer in the ass anything happened with the second patient at he gave more sheep blood 280 man bit later than his third patient was a baron who he gave to transfusions and then on the stair transfusion died I was already 86 transfusions but Jesus put on trial for is to use a turkey did the guy's wife what are you so excited Kia give up medicine and in 1670 blood transfusions for banned in France and David mean that way until Karl Landsteiner discovered the four blood groups in 1902 that point I realize why you can't give it to you antibodies using milk as the blood white vs red that's all Cowan goats milk in 1884 Celia business salt water fuse replace milk with a black substitute that's good to get your volume up at Fusion short modern sleek happen 1901 you before you realize that 1667 it took was at 230 years for into the vagina tear out the blood Creek yes it was 1628 by the way the British tradition William Harvey set the blood circulates initially at that didn't realize the blood does the heart pump blood through the body beast floating in the heart that was the explosion tattoo how to play like a cylinder engine Hannah dummies what is the app blood in your animals patient dying people done here

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Yeah Jun 6th this year 2013 The Oregon Senate voted on Senate bill 132 that will require all parents to receive information about vaccines eater from a doctor order online video before they can opt out before the bill parents refuse getting your check a child immunity mouth Siri go imitated activated I get immunization before the builder refused getting your child in eyes on religious crabs by signing a form which was really easy or Bayside Medical grants for immunization would be considered dangerous are necessary and I have never heard of that for another kid you to talk on that if you know anything about Steve Winwood when would it be dangerous to get vaccinated if you're in a compromised free samples blood cancer can you going to be able to mount a of a response medical reasons why you wouldn't it be nice if we don't like to meet people for activities 2nd fighting of infection you want to give me one more chance okay so there's Jersey Jimmy circumstances were someone shouldn't get a vaccine truck show at Rikers to bait a bill passed 1613 fit in the bills now heading offer for the approval of past 10 years exclamation exemptions of Thrones 26 point for percent of the Oregon kindergarteners and this is the highest rate in United States real quick the basic principle of vaccines is to raise a hurt herd immunity of diseases high enough where the disease can take a foothold in a population so as an example even if a hundred percent of people got vaccinated a small percentage of those people are immune to one or more of the vaccines meaning that didn't build any kind of resistance to turn on responses probably not misleading to take me to the vaccine booster non responders write a resume build up immunity to whatever disease vaccine is trying to help to under these ideals circumstances 100 percent of people get vaccinated 1989 people have almost 20 chance of passing the disease in this is because there so few people that the chances of passing along your cat low but now its growing tired of people walking out of vaccinations herd immunity is below the waterline diseases are in up swing like in cost me those and chickenpox in particular what is the address doing my research topic acre to meters much bigger question that arises here and it that is the Federal Reserve local government be able to require certain types of health care or sure you take ativan for the mat take a date require anything to say to require a lot of things did you use our laws that protect citizens from other citizens and this is a perfect example of that Doug which it off a promise Falls said he personally believe vaccinations is the right thing to do but who are we to tell parents of children that they must vaccinate

Where do we get that right alright so much is the job of government to make decisions that simultaneously respect the safety in rights of the individual make meeting to see if you write the message I'm sorry to point out to you senator which it its hard being in a position of power because you're there to make difficult decisions like these only logical thing to do is choose to take the most beneficial rock for for the most people visit the argument falls flat on his face feet demonstrably the government demonstrably has the right to take kids away from parents if those parents are guilty of abuse or neglect not even activities just neglect so is that right of the government to intervene on the benefit of a child if their parents are not filling their 2 p.m. minimal duties as parent is well established in law and I think generally accepted Pinoy nobody would reasonably argue that parents have the right to abuse and neglect their children dick with the only real question is not does the government have the right what is refusal to vaccinate children a form of the collector medical neglect to end it and is a city of Justified remedy got that situation mandatory vaccinations in the in the US where is mandatory vaccinations but only to enter public school which is pretty minimal requirement agony UK there is no such a mandatory vaccinations in the US in a year ep want to teach your kids to public school you have to be to get vaccinated were you need to get an exemption rules effects does exemptions account easy or difficult is it to get an exemption from being vaccinated shoes fishing USB religious freedoms an individual freedoms definitely our valued question that exemptions to reduce herd immunity to reduce the compliance with vaccines vaccination program does work better if you don't like any exceptions in states that do a religious exemptions should be as difficult as possible and you should just be checked box do you have to justify anyway why you don't want to vaccinate your kid then that's if it's that easy just checking a box of having to justified that's not mandatory right mandatory in name only here there any other threshold you have to receive some sort of instruction about the safety FFXIAH vaccines to make sure that you're making an informed decision on behalf of your children a pretty minimalistic requirement also the in other states with that being implemented Jays fan to be to reduce vaccine refusal rate by 25 percent so it's not completely efficacious but it does reduced vaccine refusal Rachel that's good because you know how to get to store dead magical herd immunity this is like pain Texas it sucks for some people probably for most of us something that we know no enjoys going to get a vaccination for the moment that happens whenever but its for the benefit of everyone we're

Part of a society taxes in that the individual get vaccinated benefits the risk vs benefit is in the favor of the individual its not a sacrifice your making for society or for the comedian for the for the greater good it's actually beneficial to you to get back seat protector so if you want to sit in a classroom a $20 kids summer moon may not medically be able to get vaccinated they have a right to be in a classroom 2 day ever right not to die from vaccine preventable communicable diseases and you can take away the right because you refuse to get vaccinated if you really feel that strongly better than find some other way to get your education you you don't have a right to the public restroom I think that I'm just like a people if you want to drive to get drivers license you want to go to public school you gotta get back sedated it that's it reasonable to record search requirements for receiving some kind of Public Service are good better if you are able to convince people to come to the conclusion on the Rhone rather than it seem like its being forced upon the education route is absolutely a hundred percent the best way to go to a man to fish tape you but any circumstances right now Steve we have we have people getting sick and we are people dying yeah I think we have for you in the u.s we have very high vaccination points for a packet circle munity zaditor below sugar levels because of anti vaccine propaganda speaking of the Sun a previous episode the Australian should check to check out the documentary jobs that s*** up on your TV um weeks ago its it's the perfect way to convince people who are on the fence about vaccines sexy search necessary things should I let me tell you a story about it and engineer who to Charlie was the name we here Amax

Add a surgery to remove uh oh and bad lands a cataract and had a fake Lynch put in gas and since the surgery zoom in and making noises bionic man no but he claim to the future he could see in the ultraviolet spectrum oh wow oh how to interpret that show does all the questions also see into the future can I take to the future Russian class question shut them questions only time people stores where is Lake ok to leave it out of the key under is this really real or not gonna believe it like yeah I know the truth it's interesting and then Dahlia lot of biological questions,,,. Why would that be can are photoreceptors seen the ultraviolet time is it in the state why would that be elite abilities what you what why would a brain be able to interpret does sick so I look into a pretty deeply and after doing research is my conclusion is this is real this guy is this is the moment so what color is its will the person you're right you're in that we are brains are not wired to see new colors that we've never seen before its just that I'm older violet light will stimulate the color receptors in the retina the cones in little interpreting someway exactly so some people reports just seeing an extension of the violet spectrum violet a.m. and other people reporting make a whitish blue because whatever just depends on how their receptors of being stimulated by the you be like that you might wonder why this happened to Pine removing is cataract and putting in a fake plants because the lens filters out ultraviolet light ash course so when you remove it 5003 is gone and some brands of the Ficklin just don't filter out do you feel like early start as much the last time you be like true and then suddenly you can see that let you read your peace after school respond enuff to that UV light that affect your vision ISO heet selu being an engineer alica keys and he didn't like a prism and to create a light spectrum like a rainbow any shows like how far to the ultraviolet end of the spectrum she could see it farther than 10 but you can see high heels most people see this line swear I see to I can see all the way over to hear you're still had your friend is who has a name on a transmitter create a single frequency of light show in different frequencies to see if you can perceive them um any claims he can and things that are like you and I would see is black something is it that you and I was like he sees is having a violet clover Sheen to them only case I found reported there another cases of people who on having a Ledge remove suddenly see ultraviolet light and

Shooting hey this is a historical case Claude Monet alcohol with cataracts when he got older and he complaint to lose friends set colors look muddy to him and that was very impressed tremendous a parent for an artist and so it actually he was the age of 82 wiki aloud one of the letters to be removed and that restored the full color vision to that I and also he started to see colors that he never sorry for that was reflected in his paintings on there is a painting of water lilies which normally are just white that he painted with a blue issue that his house somebody might see it if they have a little bit of UV sensitivity pretty convincing historical case interpreting number capers published on it you looking at the fact that yes to lens filter regulating yes color cones can respond to UV light so tall is plausible true when I first read it tonight and on a Vista sexually is true that there are some people live we be talking like this before the show who have tetrachromacy for different kinds of c** and you have much more vivid a pallet of colors that they could see why that is awesome at school and close to the bird yeah burger to true a CNA PC into the into the old route 13 fact there are they were bird species that we thought I make a male and a female look identical because of humans but if you add the ultraviolet spectrum the males have a sprite ultraviolet tripe something um it safe to take them they have no actually no trouble coming to Texas apartment Western dental Brea violet Street youtube I want to be able to see that you guys get surgery to see any ot about spectrum le DITA surgery were really reliable are going to take out your lenses and put in a better lenses that wonderful value to freakin focus again so I don't worry glasses and to which ventricle drive to you lie to you could see me VI was considered a me not to know now my eyes are good so I'm going to leave the way they are in a couple more years of you want it yeah I know if you don't really like my glasses and then if I became a cyborg cyberguys posers in Oakland A's out of my glasses oh I like about being hot to you what does hipster glasses yeah George being a bandana over here I always so I get to you right now I'm being over yeah where does Joe Rizza Ford glasses and painters pants I know you got me I'm in heaven tell us about people with AP I will do just that mean on people

I now how is going to type something else in here for a moment Valle heard of Bigfoot real name of this story is exactly like a Bigfoot news story because involves a primate and prom in to feet but there is no distinction difference this one's face inside it was real okay strip game today imagine you're a day trip to sign it turns into experience were you the visitor becomes part of a scientific experiment and it was for 390 300 almost 40 people visit earth to the Boston Museum of Science participated in a scientific study involving bare feet professor Jeremy DeSilva from Boston University ask the museum visitors to walk barefoot and observe Heather walk the walk professor DeSilva would have the visitors walk over a special mechanize carpet that was able to analyze a component of their feet in a pint studying the data turns out that one in 13 percent of the participants have flexible ape like feet are human ancestors would use there been defeat to wrap around the trunk trees allowed for a better grip and wild mature tose vaults dirty or more rigid feet for stability a fraction of a still have what's called midtarsal brake switch Benz the foot in the very model the results showed differences in foot bone structure similar to those seen in fossil um a member of the human lineage for about 2 million years ago a human road called Australopithecus sediba suggest that this distant cousin bars also had this same ability in the foot cool yeah really like a play Quake modern Apes me don't have the toll going out to the side just have this one Little Tikes bility in the middle in middle of in the mail Shania the opposite reaction to a play just like a complete so what 21663 play crepes how many ways to say inside of a descriptive adjectives 1110 a actually anything that we can't do as people with normal feet North Avenue normals the 92 percent of us who are normal well uh JDJ have to embrace foot diversity they say that with people with the Smith for great have flash her feet ultimately I guess that's kind of the you what does that mean they walk on water butterface but that break is there an end with if you were able to come to loosen up a ligament drone Richard sturdier you no longer foot you could yeah there could be some bending in the sand in the center of the foot that were not Ridge to study the Bible xvideos this foot vs mr typical foot is in New York 13027 different different situation barefoot running or shoot running or swimming or whatever for climbing in Enid does it usually take more flexibility if your if you're climbing something you need to feed your feet a grip on to

Rep-am how cool is there a way that we can figure out if which kind of sheets we have a question you walk into your kitchen and you reach for banana do you retweet your armor your foot totally I can pick things up with my feet a lot yeah does that still function of Bend Indiana very lazy and so when I drop things including bananas I don't like to kill a shin yeah I like your face with your foot you know you have teeth patty use a similar to the one you don't go to running stores in Beaufort you feel like you're perfect seeker and they have a pad in Wauconda measure your gay toon Howies and on your foot stuff a quote from a paleontologist from the max evolutionary anthropology name is Tracy kill said I quote the research of implications for how interpret the fossil record and the evolution of these features understand humans for going out with so I predict that creations will you say what are you that fossil hunting is really are are not transitional there just humans with a bike that's right now crab evidence against evolution area code for the creation evidence for evolution tell me to make it alright so I want I want robotic eye lenses and a plate feet Superman superhero that point you are building you bet your happy Falls and have TiVo cost does Jay I would take a prehensile tail that would be cool Arthur die down normally in like Laibach yeah I don't have to sleep on my stomach green gotta take it down there in your crack that would be really really useful that I could totally see that being on a crack track mutation would you want to have a venturi got prehensile feet Billy to see ultraviolet light a prehensile tail mean my third eye suggestion doesn't count la Maria Island we would have to kill you have to put you down Rebecca if you had that Paris to date or unicorn horn Oregon redundancy second hard you know just go with the ability to regenerate regenerate increase your not lying around organs you need all the time Wolverine but I'm also what if you die with spread my arms and have these wings flap of skin yet goes lighting around stuff for you with something shoot bigger than a hang glider typing would be just like a flying squirrel type deal as you're really likes it in her bones and stuff yeah yeah

Rebecca yes was Elizabeth the first actually a madman Mad Men somewhere that she was a man next is this trip to Virgin Queen was the imposter in drag shocking new Siri about this the first on earth storage menu scripts in the mail online Daily Mail any other than any other day is paper that would be embarrassed to ever published the Daily Mail it was just Friday the Daily Mail to win a Pulitzer so yeah it was a long article by DailyMail standards to save me the effort that have to go by the book yeah yeah exactly so tired of cialis is there only because Steve Perry is the writer of Lake crime 66 store crime fiction historic but like like Dan Brown you erase Steely Dan Brown want to be you see his books at the airport in that racket you consider buying them until you season a turkey can you get that check so she's reading this book answer that's why this dumb piece of horse s*** is in the newspaper show what is torque manuscript its been on earth cruising that I was just the first to actually was actually a man 19 RC mentioned in the article I miss you mean by historic manuscript to the earth dirty talking about the novel written by Steve Perry or the story by Brandi Stoker that you rode 1910 that was never thirst in the first place so it can really be honored to rid of a cold famous Impostors it's available in full online has stand for sometimes I think I tried to order whatever Bram Stoker's Dracula paying guest ranches retractor as you read this book famous pastors that was a 96 Sonoma about monsters and a deep into the lucky one story about Elizabeth the first based on there any conjecture Applebee's bridge superb you leave it so why not to take it and then you go and if you read the Daily Mail you don't really need to read Bram Stoker's article because they're pretty much the cut and paste a six axis occurs save me more time so let me break down for you that the story the story is that when Elizabeth the first was a 10 year old child show she was sent to the countryside how to avoid the plague or any other illnesses but she end up getting sick after all and hurt caretakers very concerned she got very very ill and then she died give her a transfusion from a goat version of a doubt that have not been invented yet so she died and Henry the 8th wives on his way out of countryside to visit her

And show her caretakers where is terrified did the Houston to put into a grizzly jacks like not just doing just be hanged Dave would be pulled out and the beat drawn and quartered the whole deal just a terrifying horrible death because that's what happens to people who let the realty Dyer something yeah it's so they replace Elizabeth with a boy they can't find any girls in the village that look anything like that so instead they find the boy who said distant cousin who is also a redhead and the treasure Elizabeth Day presents him to Henry the 8th and low lighting and Henry the 8th teen the world's worst father wish I could accepts and also terminal e stupid like I said okay great left side of head home and so the next five decades boy continues to pretend to be Elizabeth the first Monty Python came up with the idea that old mother f****** s*** yeah yeah it does it sounds like Lake of a funny play for a terrible book um so there are this year's the evidence in favor of this argument that she's actually a man number 1 Elizabeth never married and remain a virgin service.cheer.number1013204118xplaneanitonary.org when Im better fly and his mom station of her was made so well known that she was desperate for and 12 translator toddintheshadows marry her after she died show irs.co why is it more plausible denim and went for 40 years without having sex 1000 woman doesn't actually solve the mystery of you I would not be interested in it and effect do you think that there be a lot more going on around a castle a lot more river to keep quiet if you know me Meijer Canton South Afton stuff yet so its not shut up I'm just a reason offered is that does Elizabeth was just too smart to be a woman yeah that's number 330 is too smart to strong this isn't just a funny conspiracy theory this is also deeply sexist likely she was described as not having the mental Reedus typical of women say watch Washington fair in love it mean she's a woman Rite Aid anyone watch Shakespeare in Love odd parents ever too she wore wigs and lot of makeup um you didn't give first of all she wrote a queen and yeah she she doesn't she want a double cheeseburger with small cocks at one point which contributed to hurt a pole dance like her hair was falling out not like to pole vault in her hair is falling out her and her skin is all messed up on her face and so I guess she wore a ton of makeup do you wear to a if you were all jacked up show smallpox show you the other evidence that she wants told her troops I have the heart of a man not a woman and I am not afraid of anything up there it is Justine a tongue in cheek a metaphor is a metaphor Bay something sexy Texas that says a woman can relation to help a man like she can

explanation of how to help a man like she can't be smart enough mother of holes in this stupid stupid story no one got put to death for failing to save a sick kid in the 16th century even if the kid is road Elizabeth what is special as far as well Tso's at the time she was just you know she was not was not did the line for the throne like in looking back in retrospect at you with you imposes story on her real world no way what are in a 10 year old boy be able to pretend to be the most famous and the most watched woman in all of Britain while he was going through puberty SIA she had maids that played report on her menstruation a word that she was healthy and that she was capable of conceiving Bram Stoker's Dracula X true that was so religious does it feel like a fun conspiracy theories like if you like that Divinci code search stuck but let's not pretend it's really really is deeply s**** yeah this is the fact that one of the one of the greatest monarchs that England ever had could not possibly being a woman have to invent this ridiculous backstory to explain out she was actually a man come on vs few weeks ago we talked to Don McIlroy who is the former chairman of the Texas State Board of Education 8120 presided over the reason about these de science textbook standards I'm very interesting interview after the interview I engage with him in an email blog to discussion to see if we could take it any further another word for the play to talk I want to report on whats the bottom line of that discussion was convert in DC converter you know I know I thought that I was hoping to get into engagement directly with with my points to see if I could it be if I could turn back into a corner b**** just kept reverting to his original point um hit his team down to a transverse position does find exchange instructive nothing else I wrap my head around and around exactly hat logic that they're using to defend their position so positions to like why the Preakness is evolution why does not feel the evidence for evolution is convincing it he's falling does logic biology is really complicated so the evidence for evolution would have to be proportional to the complexity of life biology is it in his pants and jacket festination it isn't proportional to the complexity there for the evidences week um a mini bikes for sale please take a look at this charge of the biochemical pathways in the body is there so many of the mass of the figure out a few of them and all the history of life on Earth evolutionists claim with the case we only know flushed out of a portion of them and you know we would be $2000 the times more evidence to build a computer convincing story so or look at the complexity of the selling of these hoes so badly complex in yet don't have a lot of direct evidence for house of a modern cell evolve so is a couple of massive problems with his position what is factual what is logical the factual problem is that there is a lot more evidence for all the things he's talking about when he is signal a change directly in basically is his method of figuring out how much there is how much evidence there is is to count the evidence offered in popular writings about evolution in fact in our blog exchange she did that is OK in the last 3 or 4 black hoes in all the comments Italy beat pieces of evidence Rockford in favor of complexity of revolution of course not fair use a miscarriage didn't mean he was counting as 1 quart equal piece of evidence of a link to provide 280 review article that literally had over a hundred references to deliver the league 2 review article reasonable summary of the evidence any county is one piece of evidence ok in the comment I using

Analogy everybody seems like sorry pizza that's exactly what did we did in the third Lord of the Rings movie when legless it jumps on the all sonic kills all the Warriors on it and takes huge piece of buying cell phone at the end of The Amazing feet of a military powers a single handedly taking down entire creature in all the all the Guardians on it Kim Lee says that still only counts as one Eminem net worth I need to give the yard in the end it give me get over it shows me directions a couple in the way also eat weather night appropriate to use popular writings to estimate the quality and depth of the evidence and I strongly argue that you can't do you have to have some familiarity with technical literature book reference with a hundred technical schools in talking about just the evolution of biochemical pathways in prokaryotes 100 Francis in it looking at you carry ot once you start their in infants start counting of the avatar and never be never gave up the point you said that the attention reasonable to use popular writings to estimate the quality of the oven in San Diego strong um I think im in India I wasn't fuzzy wuzzy wasn't listening out to summarize the evidence for evolution burger ok go here it is a quick summary know if someone lines of evidence for evolution of some references to large amount 11 sided that and his response was I don't have time to look through all the rabbits how much do you think is background as an engineer plays into this particular um stancy has don't think it has to the factory strangers in sheer is a practicing dentistry motivated reasoning you know shes a he has his conclusion and he is always trying to push you try to give you be my opinion to give the appearance of doodles in 2002 diligence and so every lie about popular writings no no not adequate on the Ashley Evans I gave it to him and he basically said I only have time to do on here so ran away but whatever may be to say are you wasn't willing to confront that head on my plant a seed maybe I'll look at some point in us massive amount of evidence does message but there is a deeper problem with his are you in a Lisa factually crack is grossly underestimating the volume of evidence for the various lines of evidence for evolution she is pretty is looking at the evidence in the wrong way he's saying that the evidence the amount of evidence has to be proportional to the complexity of life on Earth in history relation street bike shop rather than sayings looking at evolutionary theory is a in terms of how well has it Meek predictions about the evidence that we have is much better way of judging whether evolutionary theory of evolution theories is coming to center Temple whether or not that's why Kylie to be true how useful is a theory and how well does it make predictions about future events may I and many other people and convention we argued that is the remarkable thank you can only be able to instantly stunningly successful and predicting the future evidence um

I gave is one of my favorite samples um sewing darlings time does the mass of gas in the record birds as is a kind of life probably the closest related to other group is reptiles in the time you can argue about weather what group within reptiles would be most closely related to birds evolution didn't demand for to Baltimore dinosaurs but if evolution coming to set for true then he absolutely need to find connections between birds and some reptiles is evolution were not sure, December 9 true that would not be necessary and vote for the odds be that we would find at the Capulet think people take for granted the mix with the evolutionary pattern of the fossil record that we find pizza tickets so much taken for granted that people don't realize how powerful is as evidence for evolution of power of the predictive value of evolutionary theory in coming to say to win the last 150 years we found primitive Birds essentially small dinosaurs with feathers feathered dinosaurs it is the entire adaptive radiation of feathered dinosaurs of primitive put a primitive feathers in any proper temporal sequence and a reasonable Geographic sequin Texas Ranger scattered around time in geography there in locations and in time evolutionary pattern that would invent something like that was required if evolution were true but not is evolution for not truly the probability of finding that the fossil record just by random chance alone I think it is miniscule its so small that a pretty much was at any other alternative hypothesis for planted by Satan to say some contrived theory that basically said that the evidence looks as if it were evolution and you can try that razor deals what does alternative solutions Comedy Central the simplest explanation for why the fossil record is what it is the evidence for the evolution of birds couple thousand really talking about in terms of all the evidence for everything to me pretty much name any major group and we're pretty good fossil record for temple secrets crystal some caps you like bass is a pretty big gap between Milton patch but um for example of a prism many many many things we have you no pick it takes dragonflies whatever just dance for a reasonable sequencial candle making you feeling in the connection so we would expect to be to take downs kind of clover in that is not part of the night that have in Jesus says it doesn't add up in that is not just not enough of it nyla strategy could always say that's not enough NCTC cheap not really a of a meaningful scientific or logical now search for moving the goal post absolutely fabulous movie the goal post in Iowa that's not enough evidence I want more evidence will how much why you have you decided how much evidence is enough mean its just looking at the wrong way that was it take for the key inside out of the exchange cytherea should I just go to religious supply greedy in tires changed 535 total block posts quitting responses from John McElroy in very very very revealing Center

In terms of the motivated reasoning and denial isn on display when he wrote to you as part of his last exchange with you following me to remove an IMAX theater in your in a few how much that colors hours few of these fish in sea of the evidence for evolution what is what did you feel about that when does a typical false equivalence the argument that is typical of the creationist is it okay to put evolution Krysten just different ways of the world is different ways of you mean the evidence and series buys does we are USA citizen away um I think emblematic of hell week in creationism is it in today compared to 150 years ago with erections trying to deepthroat evolution of preventive beat on it all now there's a content to say alright creations in sign creations in a Lisa Lucian you're trying to drag a lesion down to level of creation with these false equivalency argument but of course not doubt because evolution is an actual signs that makes predictions in could have been falsified in has multiple independent lines of evidence in support of it and creationism isn't even a scientific theory equivalency there whatsoever 311 it's time for who said we see a play for you last weeks is that noise is reminder and we'll talk a little bit about it so here we found said she screwed tu eres in MA Dan Sullivan write better known for being the instructor and companion of Helen Keller Helen Keller horse is a very famous figure American author place like this lecture she was the first deaf blind persons are in a Bachelor of Arts degree and I are story have you seen any versions of the weather on television or Broadway play miracle worker explain story of a man Sullivans being able to help Helen Keller come out of the of life being incapable speaking or understanding things and she hand with her own disabilities cause insulin herself with line was able to show her base with teacher um what things to look like sounds like in felt like in the world and really a uncovered this really sort of person that was on Nissan for sale this is a broken body tissues are lucky winner this week this week's winner goes by the name of iPod iPod be like on your iPod hi puffy ghetto in Apple products something but the case I thought you're the weather this week urinal in the final drawing at the end of the year were going to draw the winners for the year and that final gram price for a round of science fiction hey what are you up to this week alright for this week another classic who's that noise going to play for you right now send money alright enjoy your forms su forms .com leavis your response there Oreck send email WTN WTNH the skeptics guide that org wish you all the finest greatest most wonderful amount of luck stone on any of my god 310 area make sure you do you write the address is .org not.com

Email me today complaining that the in the mail didn't go through a user error huh I think that this week of meals in Canada imprecise Milton Canada right to see a woman attempts to live on some light water what you guys might find interesting it will be interesting if she admits failure fix any links to a news item detail ng the the shenanigans of a woman who is the temp in to live in tirely on sunshine free dairy in their anus Chicago menu price of the website living on Lake .co proof that I will never be able to get rid of all Super Saiyans irrationality because breathe Aarons can continue some how to spread their political philosophy the stupidest most dangerous deadly things and then continues to do it for her name is Aventus shine shine yeah I tell you go outside right before sunset an incremental the amount of time that you stare into the Sun so you gotta start doing for 10 seconds you add 10 second everyday he keep looking at it and then ritualistic things they ask you to do in till you build up account reddit like in building up the internal battery yeah official you want to eat every time I reach up like this its like give me the person and give me three days and we'll figure out what people live Randy had to stop testing for the million dollars because she was going to die in seven points yeah it was so obvious nonsense Chinese nonsense the rider going to cheat are there in a killing shout house and he didn't want that on his conscience speaking out to get Burger King yeah right in front of them on the way back to then there were three plus 20 pounds should she started her experiment the difference is a cheese video taping herself to prove that she's not cheating Yahoo she's not cheating when he said she feel your fix it she seems sincere but that doesn't mean anything images gullible and she doesn't really just a cation for this Las Vegas is it going to scream scientific literacy the notion that the Sun energy is getting into your retina somehow to your brain okay that's seeing first of all and filbert what does it take to get to see through the office Vegas concept of energy is energy getting into your body somehow steering into the Setting Sun is fertilization relevant affect on how much does solar energy is a pinching your body upward leyes en getting into your brain is silly and also on the claim that you know we eat food for energy to just cut out the middleman to get the energy to directly from the Sun ignoring the fact that we also eat food for nutrients are not use for energy vitamins and minerals him Microsoft micro nutrients that are necessary for the bank MS your body to function so it's not just for energy even plants don't rely a hundred percent on sunshine also need water and I need carbon to fix carbon dioxide from the air in a to get nutrients from the soil so maybe she City fertilizer 3333 Avondale ax I tell her to eat s*** and die

Why would we have to learn to absorb sunshine yeah you know like I don't understand why they think they quit why is there some type of process of learning how to do that you think so what's your body is starting offense is going to magically find another way to get energy right that's right it's going to invent chlorophyll start producing chlorophyll like us ed Sheeran quotes Richie said I have the feeling in my body is reached a point where to the fall the fat around for what next to consume yes your body covered looking for the nutrients should a financially baby will be interesting to see what he does when you know she is starving to death at what point is she gon say okay to eat now there are people who died from the internet think it's going to hide it going to be one that mean according to Seattle globalist .com 4 people have died doing this trying to live just on some benefits Acura she could be home to another free dairy in statistic I need water much more than you need food yeah she's drinking water to drink to flush detox is the idea is your after not eating for a while a lot of bad things that happen I got I get another number of gays you would feel so disoriented yeah so wrong eye meaning of Monica I'm restricting calories right now just to lose some weight for the summer in a yearly maintenance I always do it this time of year and I got my coming out like a moderate percentage my calories in I am utterly miserable just went well how does your body not sure to take over a certain point override what you're with your will is really seek out the food we go and put something in your mouth desire to eat mice get pretty overwhelming and then you can just been chapter is not eating for a while to you have to read react to make yourself to eating a very scary and toad medically dangerous thing to do to yourself to an IV or something off the camera features to eat off camera to be to reach syrup out the whole thing with you think that she might really be then maybe she's doing something like that not counting in a meeting in Canada fluid or something how long it that way how long is she black 3032 days and lost 40 pounds is 32 days cheese cream Chevron pass 1 calories in right just water I think she's like your new Ballas shut down something yeah you're done Avenue your church the Justice directions how to get to reading of a blog from the three verion years ago um so hung up on You Tube she was just describing that this is like Siri do I need to live just pizza night but you said in order to maintain good social relations with people around him in his family he was expected to go out and have dinner with family and stuff in they would ask questions or a random if you didn't at least a little bit so he was doing that but in his head he was living in tirely of the Sun night and day signs you eating were just few and far between but I gotta feeling that I was actually like every night of the week um did you know just because he believed in it so much that he would like to search for God yeah I actually just like the yoga flyers for jumping really hiring in your levitating

Yeah they do it on mattresses what is more bounce to all you brother incest there do not move to Seattle is your going to die 7300 does Seattle get a great place to live every little thing to sign fiction facts can you tell me which ones pink is the fake we haven't seen this week no you guys love names this is a bat out compliance people doing when they are supposed to do compliance 118 you study finds only 5 percent of people properly wash your hands after using the bathroom I never to researchers find a 35 percent of designated drivers still drink alcohol most to the point of a pairing the driving h***** to 3 despite being mandatory in some hospitals within 50 percent of healthcare workers receive the flu vaccine in 2012 for the first ladies are very sterban your own way right eye mean Marjorie de 5 percent of people properly wash their hands after using the bathroom properly wash your hands to measure bike properly meaning of soap and warm or hot water supposed to Coldwater no soap and long enough certainly with soap you have to sing happy birthday or something like that um without paying the drop rate for doing something to the happy birthday not do that there um um I don't know off lease mall right there 35 percent of designated drivers Hill drink alcohol pairing driving while I believe I drink alcohol but I would like to have a beer something doesn't get their blood alcohol level up to a legal limits um and less one less than 50 percent of healthcare workers receive the flu vaccine that's really unfortunate that one's true I can see there being a big c*** are the population on a lion to the sense with vaccine well I'm going to say that I think it's the 5 percent of people properly wash your hands I think maybe it's that time it was is Lois 5 percent but with recent the last generation or so orange cation about people wash answers commercial on television now promoting kids make sure you want you wash your hands to know I know they do a lot of it School District brings home a piece of paper with reminders kids to wash your hands and stuff so I think that ones that too low of State Washington slash fiction Rebecca this funny because we first ask questions I was 100 percent definitely going to say that 570 Washington Kansas fixing his disgusting but eventually it because of the word properly you mention the whole Lake singing happy birthday staying I heard the ABCs the same difference yeah but now I can't believe it Vegas for 21st Ashton my head was Lake only 5 percent of people wash their hands after using the bathroom which is which which the horrific and hopefully wrong I think I feel like I would notice if only 5 percent of people living in a public restroom you know the UTC to one person walk out of the Stalin right out the door what the f but it doesn't happen to properly thing yeah I can believe the 5 percent of 85 percent actually juice wash your hands for long enough in yeah I believe that.

I believe that 357 Disney drivers still drink alcohol because people are stupid murderers I can't I get to the by the people don't realize how big they think they can have a beer to and it doesn't hurt them that that is point driver I can't believe that healthcare workers receiving the same less than 50 percent of healthcare workers receive the flu vaccine 2012 only because I thought that it was mandatory for the most part for Michelle characters um hospital staff I don't know about doctors offices but yeah I thought it was a mandatory thinking if that's the case I should be much much higher than 50 percent so I'm in NJ what about 5 percent of people probably washing your hands after using the bathroom I totally agree with that is I think I think this thing that people think what people are doing is not washing your hands long enough really easy to not keep your hands off the water in the sides long enough just very calm and I see people at work but barely weather in Sweetwater not even you so so that one is science far as I'm concerned researchers I find the 35 percent just need a drivers are drug for drunkard not completely sober Rebecca saying to a mean I could see the designated drivers of portion of them are having one drink to drink early and then I'll be fine by the time we leave to deal with this last one about 50 percent of hospital workers even in a mandatory situation or not getting the flu vaccine that's true that possibly be true 50 percent I think of you more like 5 percent don't get it there their they see the people they see the sickness when would the reason be if I don't know 50 percent in Minnesota high percentage this is the reason why I think this one might be it because it's such a phenomenal a high percentage is the weather like really a really not it take to get a drivers list so there's an even spread your while okay I like that yeah one that isn't even sprint areca some pictures in order to wash your hands after using the bathroom every think this one direction and this one is science unfortunate and yeah I got it is the proper leaf 1107 spell it out significance of that it is you you describe the three well I've been using soap and doing it for a long. Of time with her to properly 15 to 20 seconds show me 5 percent of people use open wash their hands for 15 seconds Metro PC says it necessary to effectively kill germs the average person watch their hand relief 60 seconds 15 percent of men didn't wash their hands at all compared to 7 percent of women 50 percent off menu so prepared to 70 percent 5630 head Washington earlier in the day so its later and later in the day that thing

30 Plus have to touch that freakin door knob yeah I make a kick the door do everything everything you speak Chinese food stores lot of cars have them now this is a little metal thing at the bottom of the door you can just hook your feet under in Oakland are you sure your b*** back into it or take paper tell the dragon with that grab that end with people were people are more likely to wash your hands a sign in courage in them to do so as president you know what I thought it would be even more effective than a sign saying washer and staring at you a picture of a pair of eyes mp3 player Park science stuff for honest when is Ice T and Coco are there

Just a picture of a pair of eyes and look at that people are Park science stuff for honest eyes and Co are there to pick up your type stuff that's more effective feeling that you're in the dirt squirt and irregular. You gotta leave after using that's right I don't either I need to layer of skin field yeah I don't like that either it's great to handy yeah um is it in Japan shake your b*** super bacteria Bionic 5280 septic kills bacteria to know superior Alta Vista Dr Lisa having like antibacterial soap maybe but not around the alcohol that's more effective it easier to Siri 212 number to researchers find a 35 to drivers alcohol most often. Driving to Jay Z this one is to fiction Direct TV 21 is science um NRA news for society bad in a study that was the University of Florida study 35 percent it doesn't get a drivers had a significant alcohol levels craters and point 02 in some countries actually live in in the United States the legal limit point 08 but generally speaking the recommended level translate not being a peerless in 2005 and um da Mata recommend 2005 into um some countries use a plan to cut off so in this study the 35 percent grade point 82 or greater than half of those rap 2005 or greater 20 percent of the script point 180 Post you are the worst designated driver on the planet yeah I think that means designated driver Lake Drive the best when your drunk like that what you thought it was I hate people hate people so much sometimes recommended daily driver you shouldn't drink at all s*** on a concept people do to make the effect that alcohol has on their blood alcohol level don't realize how fast you hear the word level gets up to in Paris level bacon take it that share not like other people I know my limit to drink one more than other this all mean that the spicy mandatory some hospital with 50 percent of healthcare workers receive the 2012 that one is fiction Sears the information does depends on whether or not getting the flu vaccine is mandatory or not over also the CDC report over all rate of flu vaccine uptake on healthcare workers in the 2011 to 2012 season was really think 89 90 percent percent of 65 percent what is right on in hospitals where is mandatory it was like 90 8.7 person not mandatory everywhere where to train down at the transit to make a minute or two this is based upon Risa researchers found that in those hospitals Windows systems make it mandatory to be sold in very very few employees basically decided to quit resident get vaccinated

Um most of the vaccine refusers were part time workers comp most of them ventrally relenting got back sedated very few tiny percent reporting a 12 percent cited to buy to quit because it mandatory vaccinations not a problem for the Employment does raise the complete rate 9899 does the Tria fishing bass better reception for healthcare workers the responsibility to get vaccinated is even greater than working around it mean a compromise people bases shake you could a body is a professional responsibility in addition to being a good citizen yeah how do you take your Steve Lillie to give me the traditional needle gun with tiny tiny little something you barely feel it in New York you can get the nasal cavity just a little bit of soul Harrison Ave to live virus news on tonight im getting a text via to CVS shot p**** with this a skeptical caveman production yeah House house pre production coming on a change is going really well I'm working night and day on this and uh I just sent out an email to the umm the people that you mailed to me volunteering and it's not too late to volunteer if you uh or local enough to come and want to be at the shooting help us you could do that very easily to send an email with DSL line ACH and you can tell that your info at the skeptics guide .org and I'm going to respond to you and I'll find something to do people donating time does props and I have people showing all the space is a pretty quickly but I definitely would still enjoy having more people join us in war so looking for some actors Wells if you're interested just shoot me an email and also if you want to help production and you can you can't buy coming in person you still donate and also to send an email awesome Steve yeah I have a phenomenal quote a tear it first last week I forgot your name you did it does not make you upset conspicuously ass in angry ales from people uh what's the number for Mitt 20 people notice noticed I want me to do this week I'm doing this to to inspire people raging happened to react to stop doing thank you know so I was the yellow out the name of last week's quotes the author of the last week I won't less people email me just let me know hey no bake you bake a continuance want to know if anyone actually listening University of Dubuque AARP in Cincinnati that was like this guy is like the late shift on the radio station TV show $10 the first person that called and nobody called in

Hahahahahaha ah so this week's quote is a quote from Dr Martin Luther King Jr in the code is the function of Education contentedly think critically intelligence plus character that is the goal of true education for King Jr the first person acro better the second part Mitchell 515 critically the military with that way to public school system the size of their child to teach City character morality to students is it search to feel sometimes a little bit dangerous city close to propaganda you know seriously $5 from home with stuff like this is the flavor of 1984 to Rihanna recycling stuff to do in recycling in case fine but its just a lot of evidence to support a lot of recycling that happens sometimes it creates a reaction to feel good propaganda deer I just I just remembered air that was a pretty horrible propaganda certificate I got hoes at Gina do you not get that when you guys are in school anti-drug stuff for you know if your dad smokes joint reddit tournament sorry if you see something say something yeah yeah yeah I was like a little bit like the anti bully want to talk about nose knapsack on a bus okay yeah life after people die from random explosions I can see that is common sense but you just get this explosions from back pack release to turn kids into narcs to see how it affected the club I think you saying that education does character well okay to look at it yeah I think so saddened by a listener named maje Davie made in Asia major majai thanks Jake in just a quick reminder that there's still time to sign up for the amazing meeting July 11th 14th in Las Vegas Nevada this is a huge schedule meeting will be there you'll be getting push ups angel PSU dinner Friday night poker tournament Saturday night to end listeners speakeasy sheer are really impressive we have Susan black barber treasure Jerry Coyne senal Emory Cooper leaving to Massimo's get to Massimo's for the price of 12 and many others going to be an awesome conference Cheryl to see a lot of our listeners there thank you all for joining me this weekend good night see saying cute goodnight everyone ANATEL next week skeptics guide to the universe University dedicated to sign in on other websites short notice does a fetus Christians to vote at 4800 website information listeners possible