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	== In Memoriam - Mike Lacelle <small>(1:04:33)</small> ==		== In Memoriam: [[Mike Lacelle - In memoriam\|Mike Lacelle]] <small>(1:04:33)</small> ==
	* The Rogues remember Mike Lacelle - the 7th Rogue, who died on November 6th		* The Rogues remember Mike Lacelle - the 7th Rogue, who died on November 6th

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	S: Until next week, this is your Skeptics' Guide to the Universe.		S: Until next week, this is your Skeptics' Guide to the Universe.

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	== References ==		== References ==

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	\|qowText = [Space exploration] is in financial trouble. Yet by many standards, such missions are inexpensive. Mariner Jupiter/Saturn costs about the same as the American aircraft shot down in Vietnam in the week in which I am writing these words (Christmas 1972). The Viking mission itself costs about a fortnight of the Vietnam war. I find these comparisons particularly poignant: life versus death, hope versus fear. Space exploration and the highly mechanized destruction of people use similar technology and manufacturers, and similar human qualities of organization and daring. Can we not make the transition from automated aerospace killing to automated aerospace exploration of the solar system in which we live? ~~<!-- add quote of the week text-->~~		\|qowText = [Space exploration] is in financial trouble. Yet by many standards, such missions are inexpensive. Mariner Jupiter/Saturn costs about the same as the American aircraft shot down in Vietnam in the week in which I am writing these words (Christmas 1972). The Viking mission itself costs about a fortnight of the Vietnam war. I find these comparisons particularly poignant: life versus death, hope versus fear. Space exploration and the highly mechanized destruction of people use similar technology and manufacturers, and similar human qualities of organization and daring. Can we not make the transition from automated aerospace killing to automated aerospace exploration of the solar system in which we live?
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	== In ~~Memorium~~ - Mike Lacelle <small>(1:04:33)</small> ==		== In Memoriam - Mike Lacelle <small>(1:04:33)</small> ==
	* The Rogues remember Mike Lacelle - the 7th Rogue, who died on November 6th		* The Rogues remember Mike Lacelle - the 7th Rogue, who died on November 6th

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	== In Memorium - Mike ~~LaCelle~~ <small>(1:04:33)</small> ==		== In Memorium - Mike Lacelle <small>(1:04:33)</small> ==
	* The Rogues remember Mike ~~LaCelle~~ - the 7th Rogue, who died on November 6th		* The Rogues remember Mike Lacelle - the 7th Rogue, who died on November 6th

	S: All right. We do have to end the show, unfortunately, on a sad note. A dear friend of the SGU, Mike ~~LaCelle~~, died two days ago as we're recording this, just after midnight on November 6. Mike was sick for a long time. The quick medical facts are that Mike was born with a heart defect. His heart was reversed, among other things. And he underwent four surgeries in his lifetime, I think starting in infancy, to get his heart to function at all. Just to get the blood to be pumping in the right direction. But his right ventricle was doing the work of his left ventricle and vice versa, and the heart just doesn't have much longevity when it's functioning that way. So we knew this, obviously, about Mike the whole time that we knew him. Mike never really had a lot of endurance because his heart functioned, while fine for everyday activity, he could never do anything athletic and he definitely was limited in his endurance. And the expectation was that when the time came, when his heart started to give out, that he would be put on the transplant list, he would get a heart transplant. So earlier this year Mike really started to become sick. He really started going downhill fast. And again, the expectation was, okay, it's time for the heart transplant, you know, let's get things going. But then his cardiologist essentially told him that he wasn't a candidate, for various reasons. That he wouldn't really take the transplant very well. He had a lot of scar tissue from his previous surgeries; he had antibodies that would increase his risk of rejection. We went around for a while with this, but that was the ultimate conclusion, was that he couldn't get a heart transplant. And then there were other potential options that didn't pan out either, so that in the end, all they could really do for him was medication just to try to eke a last bit of function out of his heart. And unfortunately his heart function just deteriorated and deteriorated, and unfortunately finally gave out.		S: All right. We do have to end the show, unfortunately, on a sad note. A dear friend of the SGU, Mike Lacelle, died two days ago as we're recording this, just after midnight on November 6. Mike was sick for a long time. The quick medical facts are that Mike was born with a heart defect. His heart was reversed, among other things. And he underwent four surgeries in his lifetime, I think starting in infancy, to get his heart to function at all. Just to get the blood to be pumping in the right direction. But his right ventricle was doing the work of his left ventricle and vice versa, and the heart just doesn't have much longevity when it's functioning that way. So we knew this, obviously, about Mike the whole time that we knew him. Mike never really had a lot of endurance because his heart functioned, while fine for everyday activity, he could never do anything athletic and he definitely was limited in his endurance. And the expectation was that when the time came, when his heart started to give out, that he would be put on the transplant list, he would get a heart transplant. So earlier this year Mike really started to become sick. He really started going downhill fast. And again, the expectation was, okay, it's time for the heart transplant, you know, let's get things going. But then his cardiologist essentially told him that he wasn't a candidate, for various reasons. That he wouldn't really take the transplant very well. He had a lot of scar tissue from his previous surgeries; he had antibodies that would increase his risk of rejection. We went around for a while with this, but that was the ultimate conclusion, was that he couldn't get a heart transplant. And then there were other potential options that didn't pan out either, so that in the end, all they could really do for him was medication just to try to eke a last bit of function out of his heart. And unfortunately his heart function just deteriorated and deteriorated, and unfortunately finally gave out.

	J: When we first were contacted by Mike, he sent us an email and told us about a fan page that he had started, called ''SGU Fans.'' And it just quickly became one of our favorite things to do here at the SGU, which would be to read the quotes that Mike pulled out from last week's show. And it was just funny to read them for some reason, as opposed to hear them, it just added a different dimension to it. And then, we just started to chit-chat with Mike more and more over email, and then we got on Skype with him. Mike and I developed a friendship instantaneously. But things didn't really start to, we didn't really start to consider Mike to be a close friend until he came down for Perry's memorial. And that was it, I mean, after that, those couple of days with Mike we realized that not only was he just a good person, but that we had a lot in common and that we just felt a huge friendship with him.		J: When we first were contacted by Mike, he sent us an email and told us about a fan page that he had started, called ''SGU Fans.'' And it just quickly became one of our favorite things to do here at the SGU, which would be to read the quotes that Mike pulled out from last week's show. And it was just funny to read them for some reason, as opposed to hear them, it just added a different dimension to it. And then, we just started to chit-chat with Mike more and more over email, and then we got on Skype with him. Mike and I developed a friendship instantaneously. But things didn't really start to, we didn't really start to consider Mike to be a close friend until he came down for Perry's memorial. And that was it, I mean, after that, those couple of days with Mike we realized that not only was he just a good person, but that we had a lot in common and that we just felt a huge friendship with him.

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	J: Yes, I am. I picked this quote ~~before~~ Mike. I knew that Mike was a huge fan of Carl Sagan, and this quote was sent in by a listener, and I save all the quotes that people save me and I just go through them and I try to find one that has meaning for that show, if I can. And I stumbled on this one, and I do remember actually, I don't remember the first time I read it, but I do remember reading this before, but I thought that Mike would really like this. This is about space exploration. So Carl Sagan starts by saying that		J: Yes, I am. I picked this quote fore Mike. I knew that Mike was a huge fan of Carl Sagan, and this quote was sent in by a listener, and I save all the quotes that people save me and I just go through them and I try to find one that has meaning for that show, if I can. And I stumbled on this one, and I do remember actually, I don't remember the first time I read it, but I do remember reading this before, but I thought that Mike would really like this. This is about space exploration. So Carl Sagan starts by saying that
	<blockquote>[Space exploration] is in financial trouble. Yet by many standards, such missions are inexpensive. Mariner Jupiter/Saturn costs about the same as the American aircraft shot down in Vietnam in the week in which I am writing these words (Christmas 1972). The Viking mission itself costs about a fortnight of the Vietnam war. I find these comparisons particularly poignant: life versus death, hope versus fear. Space exploration and the highly mechanized destruction of people use similar technology and manufacturers, and similar human qualities of organization and daring. Can we not make the transition from automated aerospace killing to automated aerospace exploration of the solar system in which we live?</blockquote>		<blockquote>[Space exploration] is in financial trouble. Yet by many standards, such missions are inexpensive. Mariner Jupiter/Saturn costs about the same as the American aircraft shot down in Vietnam in the week in which I am writing these words (Christmas 1972). The Viking mission itself costs about a fortnight of the Vietnam war. I find these comparisons particularly poignant: life versus death, hope versus fear. Space exploration and the highly mechanized destruction of people use similar technology and manufacturers, and similar human qualities of organization and daring. Can we not make the transition from automated aerospace killing to automated aerospace exploration of the solar system in which we live?</blockquote>
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	S: Until next week, this is your Skeptics' Guide to the Universe.		S: Until next week, this is your Skeptics' Guide to the Universe.


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	J: Yeah. The one thing that I learned from this experience that was so profound was that it was the first time in my life . . . you know when Perry died I didn't have the moment that Steve had where he was with him and they both knew it was coming. Mike and I knew this was coming, and there is nothing you can possibly say to comfort someone. You know, there's no religion, there's no, that's it. You know, from an agnostic or an atheist perspective, it was so much more real. It wasn't like you can say "Okay, I'll see you" or whatever, like, there is none of that.		J: Yeah. The one thing that I learned from this experience that was so profound was that it was the first time in my life . . . you know when Perry died I didn't have the moment that Steve had where he was with him and they both knew it was coming. Mike and I knew this was coming, and there is nothing you can possibly say to comfort someone. You know, there's no religion, there's no, that's it. You know, from an agnostic or an atheist perspective, it was so much more real. It wasn't like you can say "Okay, I'll see you" or whatever, like, there is none of that.

	S: Yeah, it's interesting. You have to like really confront your feelings and the reality and what the loss means. You can't just whitewash over it with some comforting notions about an afterlife or		S: Yeah, it's interesting. You have to like really confront your feelings and the reality and what the loss means. You can't just whitewash over it with some comforting notions about an afterlife or...

	R: We don't have any platitudes.		R: We don't have any platitudes.
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	J: And I was thinking as on the 8-hour drive home my wife and I barely spoke to each other just 'cause we were so floored by everything. We just could not talk. It just wasn't happening. And I was in my head the whole way and I just was thinking to myself that I wouldn't want it any other way. I wouldn't want to be able to give myself excuses and things like a lullaby to make me feel better. Like, I wanted that moment was so real and it was, it was raw. And that's what I think it should be. I mean, that's, you know you can't live your life with ~~you~~ head full of things that take away the pain. The pain is part of life and we have to learn to live with it and work through it.		J: And I was thinking as on the 8-hour drive home my wife and I barely spoke to each other just 'cause we were so floored by everything. We just could not talk. It just wasn't happening. And I was in my head the whole way and I just was thinking to myself that I wouldn't want it any other way. I wouldn't want to be able to give myself excuses and things like a lullaby to make me feel better. Like, I wanted that moment was so real and it was, it was raw. And that's what I think it should be. I mean, that's, you know you can't live your life with your head full of things that take away the pain. The pain is part of life and we have to learn to live with it and work through it.

	S: Well, you will be missed, Mike.		S: Well, you will be missed, Mike.

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	J: I have a couple of audio clips of Mike, so people might remember who he was.		J: I have a couple of audio clips of Mike, so people might remember who he was.

	<blockquote>S: Mike, you're gonna give us the science or fiction stats so far this year.		<blockquote>S: Mike, you're gonna give us the science or fiction stats so far this year.<br>
	J: Oh, god!		J: Oh, god!<br>
	M: ''(he laughs)'' Are you guys ready for this?		M: ''(he laughs)'' Are you guys ready for this?<br>
	J: No. Definitely my worst year of all time.		J: No. Definitely my worst year of all time.<br>
	M: Actually, yeah. </blockquote>		M: Actually, yeah.<br></blockquote>

	<blockquote>M: I mean, there's some funny conversation between Rebecca and Steve about birds. Early on in the year. S: Could you be more specific? ''(laughter)'' M: I know. It was about bird jizz or something like that. S: You mean when we were talking about bird jizz? M: Yeah, you know that time, you were talking about birds? That's, that time.</blockquote>		<blockquote>M: I mean, there's some funny conversation between Rebecca and Steve about birds. Early on in the year.<br>
			S: Could you be more specific? ''(laughter)''<br>
			M: I know. It was about bird jizz or something like that.<br>
			S: You mean when we were talking about bird jizz?<br>
			M: Yeah, you know that time, you were talking about birds? That's, that time.<br></blockquote>

	R: It's gonna be really hard to do the wrap-up show.		R: It's gonna be really hard to do the wrap-up show.
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	J: Yup. Mike, I, you know, I did tell Mike this. I told him how much I loved him. I told him how much he means to me and I told him that the work that he did is joined with the work that we do and hopefully it'll live on past all of our time.		J: Yup. Mike, I, you know, I did tell Mike this. I told him how much I loved him. I told him how much he means to me and I told him that the work that he did is joined with the work that we do and hopefully it'll live on past all of our time.

	S: Well, he certainly will always be remembered on this show.		S: Well, he certainly will always be remembered on this show.

	== Skeptical Quote of the Week <small>(1:15:10)</small> ==		== Skeptical Quote of the Week <small>(1:15:10)</small> ==

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	== News Items ==		== News Items ==
	=== Life in the Universe <small>(6:27)</small>===		=== Life in the Universe <small>(6:27)</small>===
	* [http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/how-common-is-life-in-the-universe/ How Common Is Life in the Universe]		[http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/how-common-is-life-in-the-universe/ Neurologica: How Common Is Life in the Universe]

	S: So, Bob, tell us why scientists are being more pessimistic about the prospect of life elsewhere in the universe.		S: So, Bob, tell us why scientists are being more pessimistic about the prospect of life elsewhere in the universe.
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	=== UFOlogy Dying <small>(17:07)</small>===		=== UFOlogy Dying <small>(17:07)</small>===
	• [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/9653499/UFO-enthusiasts-admit-the-truth-may-not-be-out-there-after-all.html UFO enthusiasts admit the truth may not be out there after all]		[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/9653499/UFO-enthusiasts-admit-the-truth-may-not-be-out-there-after-all.html Telegraph: UFO enthusiasts admit the truth may not be out there after all]

	S: Well, speaking of life elsewhere in the universe, Jay, some UFO enthusiasts have been speculating that the future of UFOlogy is in question.		S: Well, speaking of life elsewhere in the universe, Jay, some UFO enthusiasts have been speculating that the future of UFOlogy is in question.
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	=== Chelation Therapy <small>(24:14)</small>===		=== Chelation Therapy <small>(24:14)</small>===
	* [http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-result-of-the-trial-to-assess-chelation-therapy-tact-as-underwhelming-as-expected/ The result of the Trial to Assess Chelation Therapy (TACT): As underwhelming as expected]		[http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-result-of-the-trial-to-assess-chelation-therapy-tact-as-underwhelming-as-expected/ Science Based Medicine: The result of the Trial to Assess Chelation Therapy (TACT): As underwhelming as expected]

	S: Are you guys familiar with chelation therapy?		S: Are you guys familiar with chelation therapy?
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	=== Psychic Medium Fail <small>(32:17)</small>===		=== Psychic Medium Fail <small>(32:17)</small>===
	* [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2226129/Two-professional-mediums-fail-test-demonstrate-psychic-powers-laboratory-conditions.html#ixzz2AzO8MN3e Two professional mediums fail test to demonstrate their psychic powers under laboratory conditions]		[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2226129/Two-professional-mediums-fail-test-demonstrate-psychic-powers-laboratory-conditions.html#ixzz2AzO8MN3e DailyMail: Two professional mediums fail test to demonstrate their psychic powers under laboratory conditions]

	S: All right, Evan.		S: All right, Evan.