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SGU Episode 247

2012-11-15T11:46:15Z

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== Introduction ==
''You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.''

S: Hello and welcome to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, today is Wednesday April 7th 2010 and this is your host Steven Novella. Joining me this week are Bob Novella.

B: Hey Everybody

S: Rebecca Watson

R: Hello Everyone

S: Jay Novella

J: Yo

S: and Evan Bernstein

== This Day in Skepticism (0:26) ==

E: Hi Everyone and a very happy birthday to our dear, departed friend Samuel Hahnemann founder of Homeopathy
<laughter>

J: Hanhamahahnama

E: April 10th..

J: How did he die?

R: He gets stronger with each passing year that he's dead

<laughter>

B: Good one, Rebecca

R: Thank you

E: Was it poison or something?

J: Poison?

E: He died of having an illness in which he took some of his quote unquote remedy and from not seeking real, some kind of real, treatment, perhaps, he perished of the ailment

R: So he took homeopathy?

E: According to Randi, at a lecture that Randi gave not too long ago, he said he probably perished taking some kind of concoction that he came up with himself

S: Mm hm. But not homeopathic?

E: but I don't have an official word on how he died. Oh hey, I got some friends together and we wanted to send out a little song for to mark this occasion. OK, you guys ready?

R: Oh God

All (singing): Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear quack purveyor of bull snake oil salesman, happy birthday to you
E: (singing): and you smell like one too

<laughter>

E: I got together with some fiends and we sang him a happy birthday

R: That was a “Malkovitch, Malkovitch, Malkovitch”, what the hell, that was creepy, Evan

E: I got together with some like minded people and we sang happy birthday

R: Evan, I think you need more friends
 B: I liked it Evan, I thought it was edited very well

E: I appreciate it

S: That was solid work, Evan, solid work.

E: Took me an hour

S: Jay, tell us about workers at Area 51 finally after all these years breaking their silence
== News Items ==
=== Item 1 (02:01)===

J: Well it’s not so much that they broke their silence as much as they were allowed to talk about it now because so much time has gone by that it’s no longer something that they can’t talk about

S: It’s declassified

J: It’s been declassified, exactly. So this particular person, a guy named James Nose, he claims that he worked in Area 51 which is in Southern Nevada. He’s 72 years old today, so he worked there, 40 to 50 years ago. This was in the 60s and while he was there, they were testing the A12 and the SR71 which are both spy planes.

S: Blackbird… SR71 is a sweet jet

B: Yeah

R: It really is, I was just reading about that today. Bizarre

B: They go 3200 mph I think

J: Yeah, nothing actually that we know of, nothing goes faster than that

S: 2200 mph - Mach 3.29

B: Okay

S: Officially, which means it’s probably faster

B: Right

R: No, it’s gone faster. I’ve heard 3.3 something

B: I’ve read once that when that plane took off, it would leak fuel like a sieve because it was, it ran so hot that once it got to operating temperature, the metal expanded and sealed nicely, but until that happened, it was like leaking fuel

S: Yeah

R: I read once that it took off from an airport and landed 5 minutes before it started.

<laughter>

J: Steve, I have read reports of about how unbelievably powerful and loud those engines were once they, once the pilots punched them to take off. Very, very impressive jet plane, there.

R: If anybody wants to read a really cool, the thing I was reading Jay was on Gizmodo and it was from a pilot who has flown it in Libya during the Cold War and his story’s absolutely amazing. So that’s on gizmodo.com. Highly recommended.

B: I’ll check it out

S: But what does this guy has to say for himself?

J: To cut to the chase, I mean basically he says he was there, they were teastgin these airplanes that nobody there that he know and including himself no-one saw any kind of UFO or flying suacers or anything. When the rumours came about that there was UFOs there or they were covering things up or whatever, that the CIA didn’t care about those rumours because it kind of helped cover up what they were doing. He also admitted that the CIA at the time was definitely scaring people into not wanting to be around the area and they were paying people off if, for example, they were moving a crashed plane from point A to point B and people saw it or at one point he mentions that the plane kind of crashed into a bus that was driving in the other direction because they had it on the back end of a flat bed of some kind, they literally paid people to not talk about it. At one point he mentioned a briefcase had $25,000 in cash that they were giving someone. And he did mention this story and I do remember hearing this about one of the pilots dressed up as a gorilla and did fly upside down over a pilot, over a commercial, not a commercial pilot, a private pilot and that guy, that pilot went back and told people about it and everyone thought he was crazy and whenever pilots did see these jets and they talked about it, two other pilots, it was a ridiculous story so a lot of these pilots that did see the jets flying around didn’t really talk mention anything because it got kind of to the point that they knew that they were going to be ridiculed about it

S: Yeah

B: Yeah

R: Are you sure that it wasn’t in Hot Shots Part Deux

J: I’m not sure it wasn’t but apparently there are roots of reality here

S: Yeah, there are two elements of the story that are interesting, one no big surprise there were no aliens in Area 51 and they were secret air force planes and development there. That’s no biggie. The more interesting part of this story are all the trappings of secrecy that were going on there, the intimidation and bribing of witness the also pranking of civilian pilots in unexplainable ways, querky ways to that pilot, they saw something that made no sense to them and the notion that it was just a whimsical act of air force pilot who was pranking them is not the first thing that they would think of. It reinforces the notion that unexplained doesn’t mean unexplainable, right? You always have to consider, just becuase you don’t know what something is, it could be something totally querky but still mundane. You don’t have invoke aliens.

J: Well, if you think about Steve, a pilot seeing an aircraft move unbelievably fast, I mean faster than anyhting back then, people were not thinking that we have anything that can go that fast

S: And higher and that’s important because the sound would not reach you for so long that you would think it was silent. This fast thing moving through the sky silently could be very eery looking

E: This will not dissuade the UFO believers
 S: Not a bit

E: Not one.

S: Not one bit

E: In fact, it may embolden them further, because they feel that this is another layer of...

S: This is part of the cover up

J: Yeah, when I read this article, I’m like, man they’re just going to say this is a cover up. That’s the MO here

R: Yeah, but you know there’s one kid out there, researches Area 51 finds this and then instead of becoming a UFO researcher he becomes a, you know, stelath pilot. I think that, that might happen.

E: It is worth it, definitely. These reports are important.

R: For those listeners who didn’t have immediate access to Google during that discussion, the top speed of the Blackbird SR71 is Mach 3.5, although there were unclassified tests that I think hit 3.6

J: They turned it up to 11

S: That’s fast

R: 3.5 is what it could do… on a normal day

=== Item 2 (08:03)===
S: Bob tell us about Ununseptium

B: Russian and American scientists have created 6 atoms of a newly created element which will probably one day soon officially join its brethren on the Periodic Table of Elements. This new super heavy element, temporarily called Ununseptium has an atomic number of 117

S: Which is what Ununseptium means

B: Right

S: One Seventeen. It’s its temporary designitation until its official

R: When I read it just printed I thought it was just the opposite of umseptium

B: Right. It won’t become official until seperate scientists document it, but from what I’ve read

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SGU Episode 247

2012-11-15T11:45:25Z

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== Introduction ==
''You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.''

S: Hello and welcome to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, today is Wednesday April 7th 2010 and this is your host Steven Novella. Joining me this week are Bob Novella.

B: Hey Everybody

S: Rebecca Watson

R: Hello Everyone

S: Jay Novella

J: Yo

S: and Evan Bernstein

== This Day in Skepticism (0:26) ==

E: Hi Everyone and a very happy birthday to our dear, departed friend Samuel Hahnemann founder of Homeopathy
<laughter>

J: Hanhamahahnama

E: April 10th..

J: How did he die?

R: He gets stronger with each passing year that he's dead

<laughter>

B: Good one, Rebecca

R: Thank you

E: Was it poison or something?

J: Poison?

E: He died of having an illness in which he took some of his quote unquote remedy and from not seeking real, some kind of real, treatment, perhaps, he perished of the ailment

R: So he took homeopathy?

E: According to Randi, at a lecture that Randi gave not too long ago, he said he probably perished taking some kind of concoction that he came up with himself

S: Mm hm. But not homeopathic?

E: but I don't have an official word on how he died. Oh hey, I got some friends together and we wanted to send out a little song for to mark this occasion. OK, you guys ready?

R: Oh God

All (singing): Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear quack purveyor of bull snake oil salesman, happy birthday to you
E: (singing): and you smell like one too

<laughter>

E: I got together with some fiends and we sang him a happy birthday

R: That was a “Malkovitch, Malkovitch, Malkovitch”, what the hell, that was creepy, Evan

E: I got together with some like minded people and we sang happy birthday

R: Evan, I think you need more friends
 B: I liked it Evan, I thought it was edited very well

E: I appreciate it

S: That was solid work, Evan, solid work.

E: Took me an hour

S: Jay, tell us about workers at Area 51 finally after all these years breaking their silence
== News Items ==
=== Item 1 (02:01)===

J: Well it’s not so much that they broke their silence as much as they were allowed to talk about it now because so much time has gone by that it’s no longer something that they can’t talk about

S: It’s declassified

J: It’s been declassified, exactly. So this particular person, a guy named James Nose, he claims that he worked in Area 51 which is in Southern Nevada. He’s 72 years old today, so he worked there, 40 to 50 years ago. This was in the 60s and while he was there, they were testing the A12 and the SR71 which are both spy planes.

S: Blackbird… SR71 is a sweet jet

B: Yeah

R: It really is, I was just reading about that today. Bizarre

B: They go 3200 mph I think

J: Yeah, nothing actually that we know of, nothing goes faster than that

S: 2200 mph - Mach 3.29

B: Okay

S: Officially, which means it’s probably faster

B: Right

R: No, it’s gone faster. I’ve heard 3.3 something

B: I’ve read once that when that plane took off, it would leak fuel like a sieve because it was, it ran so hot that once it got to operating temperature, the metal expanded and sealed nicely, but until that happened, it was like leaking fuel

S: Yeah

R: I read once that it took off from an airport and landed 5 minutes before it started.

<laughter>

J: Steve, I have read reports of about how unbelievably powerful and loud those engines were once they, once the pilots punched them to take off. Very, very impressive jet plane, there.

R: If anybody wants to read a really cool, the thing I was reading Jay was on Gizmodo and it was from a pilot who has flown it in Libya during the Cold War and his story’s absolutely amazing. So that’s on gizmodo.com. Highly recommended.

B: I’ll check it out

S: But what does this guy has to say for himself?

J: To cut to the chase, I mean basically he says he was there, they were teastgin these airplanes that nobody there that he know and including himself no-one saw any kind of UFO or flying suacers or anything. When the rumours came about that there was UFOs there or they were covering things up or whatever, that the CIA didn’t care about those rumours because it kind of helped cover up what they were doing. He also admitted that the CIA at the time was definitely scaring people into not wanting to be around the area and they were paying people off if, for example, they were moving a crashed plane from point A to point B and people saw it or at one point he mentions that the plane kind of crashed into a bus that was driving in the other direction because they had it on the back end of a flat bed of some kind, they literally paid people to not talk about it. At one point he mentioned a briefcase had $25,000 in cash that they were giving someone. And he did mention this story and I do remember hearing this about one of the pilots dressed up as a gorilla and did fly upside down over a pilot, over a commercial, not a commercial pilot, a private pilot and that guy, that pilot went back and told people about it and everyone thought he was crazy and whenever pilots did see these jets and they talked about it, two other pilots, it was a ridiculous story so a lot of these pilots that did see the jets flying around didn’t really talk mention anything because it got kind of to the point that they knew that they were going to be ridiculed about it

S: Yeah

B: Yeah

R: Are you sure that it wasn’t in Hot Shots Part Deux

J: I’m not sure it wasn’t but apparently there are roots of reality here

S: Yeah, there are two elements of the story that are interesting, one no big surprise there were no aliens in Area 51 and they were secret air force planes and development there. That’s no biggie. The more interesting part of this story are all the trappings of secrecy that were going on there, the intimidation and bribing of witness the also pranking of civilian pilots in unexplainable ways, querky ways to that pilot, they saw something that made no sense to them and the notion that it was just a whimsical act of air force pilot who was pranking them is not the first thing that they would think of. It reinforces the notion that unexplained doesn’t mean unexplainable, right? You always have to consider, just becuase you don’t know what something is, it could be something totally querky but still mundane. You don’t have invoke aliens.

J: Well, if you think about Steve, a pilot seeing an aircraft move unbelievably fast, I mean faster than anyhting back then, people were not thinking that we have anything that can go that fast

S: And higher and that’s important because the sound would not reach you for so long that you would think it was silent. This fast thing moving through the sky silently could be very eery looking

E: This will not dissuade the UFO believers
 S: Not a bit

E: Not one.

S: Not one bit

E: In fact, it may embolden them further, because they feel that this is another layer of...

S: This is part of the cover up

J: Yeah, when I read this article, I’m like, man they’re just going to say this is a cover up. That’s the MO here

R: Yeah, but you know there’s one kid out there, researches Area 51 finds this and then instead of becoming a UFO researcher he becomes a, you know, stelath pilot. I think that, that might happen.

E: It is worth it, definitely. These reports are important.

R: For those listeners who didn’t have immediate access to Google during that discussion, the top speed of the Blackbird SR71 is Mach 3.5, although there were unclassified tests that I think hit 3.6

J: They turned it up to 11

S: That’s fast

R: 3.5 is what it could do… on a normal day

=== Item 2 (08:03)===
S: Bob tell us about Ununseptium

B: Russian and American scientists have created 6 atoms of a newly created element which will probably one day soon officially join its brethren on the Periodic Table of Elements. This new super heavy element, temporarily called Ununseptium has an atomic number of 117

S: Which is what Ununseptium means

B: Right

S: One Seventeen. It’s its temporary designitation until its official

R: When I read it just printed I thought it was just the opposite of umseptium

B: Right. It won’t become official until seperate scientists document it, but from what I’ve read

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SGU Episode 247

2012-11-09T16:17:09Z

Mikebradburn:

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== Introduction ==
''You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.''

S: Hello and welcome to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, today is Wednesday April 7th 2010 and this is your host Steven Novella. Joining me this week are Bob Novella.

B: Hey Everybody

S: Rebecca Watson

R: Hello Everyone

S: Jay Novella

J: Yo

S: and Evan Bernstein

== This Day in Skepticism (0:26) ==

E: Hi Everyone and a very happy birthday to our dear, departed friend Samuel Hahnemann founder of Homeopathy
<laughter>

J: Hanhamahahnama

E: April 10th..

J: How did he die?

R: He gets stronger with each passing year that he's dead

<laughter>

B: Good one, Rebecca

R: Thank you

E: Was it poison or something?

J: Poison?

E: He died of having an illness in which he took some of his quote unquote remedy and from not seeking real, some kind of real, treatment, perhaps, he perished of the ailment

R: So he took homeopathy?

E: According to Randi, at a lecture that Randi gave not too long ago, he said he probably perished taking some kind of concoction that he came up with himself

S: Mm hm. But not homeopathic?

E: but I don't have an official word on how he died. Oh hey, I got some friends together and we wanted to send out a little song for to mark this occasion. OK, you guys ready?

R: Oh God

All (singing): Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear quack purveyor of bull snake oil salesman, happy birthday to you
E: (singing): and you smell like one too

<laughter>

E: I got together with some fiends and we sang him a happy birthday

R: That was a “Malkovitch, Malkovitch, Malkovitch”, what the hell, that was creepy, Evan

E: I got together with some like minded people and we sang happy birthday

R: Evan, I think you need more friends
 B: I liked it Evan, I thought it was edited very well

E: I appreciate it

S: That was solid work, Evan, solid work.

E: Took me an hour

S: Jay, tell us about workers at Area 51 finally after all these years breaking their silence
== News Items ==
=== Item 1 (02:01)===

J: Well it’s not so much that they broke their silence as much as they were allowed to talk about it now because so much time has gone by that it’s no longer something that they can’t talk about

S: It’s declassified

J: It’s been declassified, exactly. So this particular person, a guy named James Nose, he claims that he worked in Area 51 which is in Southern Nevada. He’s 72 years old today, so he worked there, 40 to 50 years ago. This was in the 60s and while he was there, they were testing the A12 and the SR71 which are both spy planes.

S: Blackbird… SR71 is a sweet jet

B: Yeah

R: It really is, I was just reading about that today. Bizarre

B: They go 3200 mph I think

J: Yeah, nothing actually that we know of, nothing goes faster than that

S: 2200 mph - Mach 3.29

B: Okay

S: Officially, which means it’s probably faster

B: Right

R: No, it’s gone faster. I’ve heard 3.3 something

B: I’ve read once that when that plane took off, it would leak fuel like a sieve because it was, it ran so hot that once it got to operating temperature, the metal expanded and sealed nicely, but until that happened, it was like leaking fuel

S: Yeah

R: I read once that it took off from an airport and landed 5 minutes before it started.

<laughter>

J: Steve, I have read reports of about how unbelievably powerful and loud those engines were once they, once the pilots punched them to take off. Very, very impressive jet plane, there.

R: If anybody wants to read a really cool, the thing I was reading Jay was on Gizmodo and it was from a pilot who has flown it in Libya during the Cold War and his story’s absolutely amazing. So that’s on gizmodo.com. Highly recommended.

B: I’ll check it out

S: But what does this guy has to say for himself?

J: To cut to the chase, I mean basically he says he was there, they were teastgin these airplanes that nobody there that he know and including himself no-one saw any kind of UFO or flying suacers or anything. When the rumours came about that there was UFOs there or they were covering things up or whatever, that the CIA didn’t care about those rumours because it kind of helped cover up what they were doing. He also admitted that the CIA at the time was definitely scaring people into not wanting to be around the area and they were paying people off if, for example, they were moving a crashed plane from point A to point B and people saw it or at one point he mentions that the plane kind of crashed into a bus that was driving in the other direction because they had it on the back end of a flat bed of some kind, they literally paid people to not talk about it. At one point he mentioned a briefcase had $25,000 in cash that they were giving someone. And he did mention this story and I do remember hearing this about one of the pilots dressed up as a gorilla and did fly upside down over a pilot, over a commercial, not a commercial pilot, a private pilot and that guy, that pilot went back and told people about it and everyone thought he was crazy and whenever pilots did see these jets and they talked about it, two other pilots, it was a ridiculous story so a lot of these pilots that did see the jets flying around didn’t really talk mention anything because it got kind of to the point that they knew that they were going to be ridiculed about it

S: Yeah

B: Yeah

R: Are you sure that it wasn’t in Hot Shots Part Deux

J: I’m not sure it wasn’t but apparently there are roots of reality here

S: Yeah, there are two elements of the story that are interesting, one no big surprise there were no aliens in Area 51 and they were secret air force planes and development there. That’s no biggie. The more interesting part of this story are all the trappings of secrecy that were going on there, the intimidation and bribing of witness the also pranking of civilian pilots in unexplainable ways, querky ways to that pilot, they saw something that made no sense to them and the notion that it was just a whimsical act of air force pilot who was pranking them is not the first thing that they would think of. It reinforces the notion that unexplained doesn’t mean unexplainable, right? You always have to consider, just becuase you don’t know what something is, it could be something totally querky but still mundane. You don’t have invoke aliens.

J: Well, if you think about Steve, a pilot seeing an aircraft move unbelievably fast, I mean faster than anyhting back then, people were not thinking that we have anything that can go that fast

S: And higher and that’s important because the sound would not reach you for so long that you would think it was silent. This fast thing moving through the sky silently can be very eery looking

E: This will not dissuade the UFO believers
 S: Not a bit

E: Not one.

S: Not one bit

E: In fact, it may embolden them further, because this is another layer of

S: This is part of the cover up

 J: Yeah, when I read this article.

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SGU Episode 247

2012-11-06T23:52:20Z

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== Introduction ==
''You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.''

S: Hello and welcome to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, today is Wednesday April 7th 2010 and this is your host Steven Novella. Joining me this week are Bob Novella.

B: Hey Everybody

S: Rebecca Watson

R: Hello Everyone

S: Jay Novella

J: Yo

S: and Evan Bernstein

== This Day in Skepticism (0:26) ==

E: Hi Everyone and a very happy birthday to our dear, departed friend Samuel Hahnemann founder of Homeopathy
<laughter>

J: Hanhamahahnama

E: April 10th..

J: How did he die?

R: He gets stronger with each passing year that he's dead

<laughter>

B: Good one, Rebecca

R: Thank you

E: Was it poison or something?

J: Poison?

E: He died of having an illness in which he took some of his quote unquote remedy and from not seeking real, some kind of real, treatment, perhaps, he perished of the ailment

R: So he took homeopathy?

E: According to Randi, at a lecture that Randi gave not too long ago, he said he probably perished taking some kind of concoction that he came up with himself

S: Mm hm. But not homeopathic?

E: but I don't have an official word on how he died. Oh hey, I got some friends together and we wanted to send out a little song for to mark this occasion. OK, you guys ready?

R: Oh God

All (singing): Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear quack purveyor of bull snake oil salesman, happy birthday to you
E: (singing): and you smell like one too

<laughter>

E: I got together with some fiends and we sang him a happy birthday

R: That was a “Malkovitch, Malkovitch, Malkovitch”, what the hell, that was creepy, Evan

E: I got together with some like minded people and we sang happy birthday

R: Evan, I think you need more friends
 B: I liked it Evan, I thought it was edited very well

E: I appreciate it

S: That was solid work, Evan, solid work.

E: Took me an hour

S: Jay, tell us about workers at Area 51 finally after all these years breaking their silence
== News Items ==
=== Item 1 (02:01)===

J: Well it’s not so much that they broke their silence as much as they were allowed to talk about it now because so much time has gone by that it’s no longer something that they can’t talk about

S: It’s declassified

J: It’s been declassified, exactly. So this particular person, a guy named James Nose, he claims that he worked in Area 51 which is in Southern Nevada. He’s 72 years old today, so he worked there, 40 to 50 years ago. This was in the 60s and while he was there, they were testing the A12 and the SR71 which are both spy planes.

S: Blackbird… SR71 is a sweet jet

B: Yeah

R: It really is, I was just reading about that today. Bizarre

B: They go 3200 mph I think

J: Yeah, nothing actually that we know of, nothing goes faster than that

S: 2200 mph - Mach 3.29

B: Okay

S: Officially, which means it’s probably faster

B: Right

R: No, it’s gone faster. I’ve heard 3.3 something

B: I’ve read once that when that plane took off, it would leak fuel like a sieve because it was, it ran so hot that once it got to operating temperature, the metal expanded and sealed nicely, but until that happened, it was like leaking fuel

S: Yeah

R: I read once that it took off from an airport and landed 5 minutes before it started.

<laughter>

J: Steve, I have read reports of about how unbelievably powerful and loud those engines were once they, once the pilots punched them to take off. Very, very impressive jet plane, there.

R: If anybody wants to read a really cool, the thing I was reading Jay was on Gizmodo and it was from a pilot who has flown it in Libya during the Cold War and his story’s absolutely amazing. So that’s on gizmodo.com. Highly recommended.

B: I’ll check it out

S: But what does this guy has to say for himself?

J: To cut to the chase, I mean basically he says he was there, they were teastgin these airplanes that nobody there that he know and including himself no-one saw any kind of UFO or flying suacers or anything. When the rumours came about that there was UFOs there or they were covering things up or whatever, that the CIA didn’t care about those rumours because it kind of helped cover up what they were doing. He also admitted that the CIA at the time was definitely scaring people into not wanting to be around the area and they were paying people off if, for example, they were moving a crashed plane from point A to point B and people saw it or at one point he mentions that the plane kind of crashed into a bus that was driving in the other direction because they had it on the back end of a flat bed of some kind, they literally paid people to not talk about it. At one point he mentioned a briefcase had $25,000 in cash that they were giving someone. And he did mention this story and I do remember hearing this about one of the pilots dressed up as a gorilla and did fly upside down over a pilot, over a commercial, not a commercial pilot, a private pilot and that guy, that pilot went back and told people about it and everyone thought he was crazy and whenever pilots did see these jets and they talked about it, two other pilots, it was a ridiculous story so a lot of these pilots that did see the jets flying around didn’t really talk mention anything because it got kind of to the point that they knew that they were going to be ridiculed about it

S: Yeah

B: Yeah

R: Are you sure that it wasn’t in Hot Shots Part Deux

J: I’m not sure it wasn’t but apparently there are roots of reality here

S: Yeah, there are two elements of the story that are interesting here

== Who's That Noisy? ()==

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=== Question 2 ()===

== Interview with "..." () ==

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SGU Episode 247

2012-11-04T23:58:41Z

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SGU Episode 247

2012-11-02T17:14:35Z

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SGU Episode 247

2012-11-02T17:14:20Z

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SGU Episode 247

2012-11-02T16:44:47Z

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SGU Episode 247

2012-11-02T16:44:18Z

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SGU Episode 247

2012-11-02T16:43:50Z

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* [[SGU Episode 335]], Dec 17 2011 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 330]], Nov 11 2011 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 328]], Oct 29 2011
* [[SGU 24hr]], Sep 23-24 2011
* [[SGU Episode 320]], Aug 29 2011
* [[SGU Episode 312]], Jul 5 2011 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 308]], Jun 08 2011 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 287]], Jan 12 2011 {{Open}}
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* [[SGU Episode 271]], Sep 22 2010
* [[SGU Episode 260]], Jun 30 2010 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 252]], May 12 2010
* [[SGU Episode 247]], Apr 7 2010 {{i}}
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* [[SGU Episode 220]], Oct 7 2009 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 216]], Sep 9 2009 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 185]], Feb 4 2009
* [[SGU Episode 184]], Jan 28 2009

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* [[SGU Episode 165]], Sep 17 2008
* [[SGU Episode 156]], Jul 16 2008 {{tick}}
* [[SGU Episode 146]], May 7 2008
* [[SGU Episode 144]], Apr 23 2008 {{tick}}
* [[SGU Episode 140]], Mar 26 2008 {{i}}

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* [[SGU Episode 123]], Nov 28, 2007 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 110]], Aug 28, 2007
* [[SGU Episode 109]], Aug 24, 2007
* [[SGU Episode 105]], Jul 25, 2007 {{i}}
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* [[SGU Episode 38]], Apr 12 2006 {{Open}}
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* [[SGU Episode 12]], Sep 7 2005
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* [[SGU Episode 10]], Aug 23 2005
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SGU Episode 380

2012-11-02T16:01:54Z

Mikebradburn: /* Introduction */

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== Introduction ==
''You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.''

== This Day in Skepticism (1:07) ==
* October 27, 1780: The first U.S. astronomical expedition to record an eclipse of the sun observed the event which lasted from 11:11 am to 1:50 pm.
* October 27, 1891: Philip B. Downing, inventor, was awarded a U.S. patent for an improvement to the street letter (mail) box.

== News Items ==
=== Genetic Logic Circuit (3:34)===
* [https://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/24418.aspx A complex logic circuit made from bacterial genes]

=== Efficient Language (13:26)===
* [http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/10/12/1215776109.abstract Language learners restructure their input to facilitate efficient communication]

=== Closest Exoplanet (22:01)===
* [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/scientists-find-earthsized-planet-alpha-centauri-bb-in-neighbouring-star-system-8214331.html Scientists find Earth-like planet Alpha Centauri Bb in neighbouring star system but rule-out possibility of life thanks to its 1,500C surface]

=== Alien Hacker (30:34)===
* [http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/16/gary_mckinnon_talha_ahsan_theresa_may_announces_u_k_will_not_extradite_alien.html U.K. Will Not Extradite Alien-Hunting Hacker With Asperger’s Who Broke Into NASA, Military Computers]

== Who's That Noisy? (43:17)==
* Answer to last week - revealed in three weeks

== Questions and Emails ==
=== Zombie Bite (44:36)===
<blockquote>Hey Guys, I got a fun Medical Question for you all and maybe a little bit more aimed towards Dr. Novella due to his medical background. If you've seen the new season of the Walking Dead (spoilers), in the first episode the old guy gets bitten on the leg and the main character decides to amputate his leg because he thinks it's like a venomous snake bite. The rationale is even though they all know they're all infected already, that zombie bites cause a secondary infection that makes you sick and you die thereby allowing the primary infection to turn you into a zombie. Is the choice to amputate really stupid even if the infection was like a venomous bite? You would think they made a relatively moderate problem of a huge bite into an enormous problem given that there's going to be massive blood loss now, chance of incidental infection, and well....the old guy is really old and he probably can't take the shock of getting his leg hacked on repeatedly by a handaxe. If they intended to cauterize the amputation later, wouldn't it have been better to just cauterize the huge bite wound instead and hope that would be enough? It seems like anything they could do to help the amputation they've could have done to the bite wound and it wouldn't have been as bad. Dr. Novella has talked about in medicine that usually treatments have risks but the benefits outweigh the risks. In this case I'm wondering if the Amputation is causing more damage than it's helping, given their fictional situation. Thanks, Henry Loo</blockquote>

== Announcements ==
=== Evan on Television: The Trisha Show (53:58)===
=== SGU Nominated For The 2012 Stitcher Award (54:46)===
* [http://stitcher.promotw.com The Stitcher Awards]

== Science or Fiction (55:17) ==
S: [http://www.southernencounter.co.nz/seanews_whatsnew.htm Item number one]. The hagfish can rapidly produce as much as 20 liters of slime as a defense against predators. [http://www.sciencemag.org/content/254/5032/701 Item number two]. The oldest fossil hagfish is 300 million years old and shows remarkable similarity to modern hagfish, demonstrating unusual evolutionary stability. [http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090909/full/461164a.html Item number three]. Molecular analysis has confirmed that hagfish are transitional between vertebrates and invertebrates. And [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagfish item number four]. Hagfish are the only creatures known to have a skull but no vertebral column.

== Skeptical Quote of the Week (1:09:45) ==
<blockquote>The Web is great for finding a list of the ten biggest cities in the United States, but if the scientific literature is merely littered with wrong facts, then cyberspace is an enticing quagmire of falsehoods, propaganda, and just plain bunkum. There simply is no substitute for skepticism.</blockquote>
J: Samuel Arbesman!

{{Outro1}}

== References ==
<references/>

{{Navigation}}

SGU Episode 380

2012-11-02T16:01:29Z

Mikebradburn: /* This Day in Skepticism (1:07) */

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== Introduction ==
''You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.''

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== This Day in Skepticism (1:07) ==
* October 27, 1780: The first U.S. astronomical expedition to record an eclipse of the sun observed the event which lasted from 11:11 am to 1:50 pm.
* October 27, 1891: Philip B. Downing, inventor, was awarded a U.S. patent for an improvement to the street letter (mail) box.

== News Items ==
=== Genetic Logic Circuit (3:34)===
* [https://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/24418.aspx A complex logic circuit made from bacterial genes]

=== Efficient Language (13:26)===
* [http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/10/12/1215776109.abstract Language learners restructure their input to facilitate efficient communication]

=== Closest Exoplanet (22:01)===
* [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/scientists-find-earthsized-planet-alpha-centauri-bb-in-neighbouring-star-system-8214331.html Scientists find Earth-like planet Alpha Centauri Bb in neighbouring star system but rule-out possibility of life thanks to its 1,500C surface]

=== Alien Hacker (30:34)===
* [http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/16/gary_mckinnon_talha_ahsan_theresa_may_announces_u_k_will_not_extradite_alien.html U.K. Will Not Extradite Alien-Hunting Hacker With Asperger’s Who Broke Into NASA, Military Computers]

== Who's That Noisy? (43:17)==
* Answer to last week - revealed in three weeks

== Questions and Emails ==
=== Zombie Bite (44:36)===
<blockquote>Hey Guys, I got a fun Medical Question for you all and maybe a little bit more aimed towards Dr. Novella due to his medical background. If you've seen the new season of the Walking Dead (spoilers), in the first episode the old guy gets bitten on the leg and the main character decides to amputate his leg because he thinks it's like a venomous snake bite. The rationale is even though they all know they're all infected already, that zombie bites cause a secondary infection that makes you sick and you die thereby allowing the primary infection to turn you into a zombie. Is the choice to amputate really stupid even if the infection was like a venomous bite? You would think they made a relatively moderate problem of a huge bite into an enormous problem given that there's going to be massive blood loss now, chance of incidental infection, and well....the old guy is really old and he probably can't take the shock of getting his leg hacked on repeatedly by a handaxe. If they intended to cauterize the amputation later, wouldn't it have been better to just cauterize the huge bite wound instead and hope that would be enough? It seems like anything they could do to help the amputation they've could have done to the bite wound and it wouldn't have been as bad. Dr. Novella has talked about in medicine that usually treatments have risks but the benefits outweigh the risks. In this case I'm wondering if the Amputation is causing more damage than it's helping, given their fictional situation. Thanks, Henry Loo</blockquote>

== Announcements ==
=== Evan on Television: The Trisha Show (53:58)===
=== SGU Nominated For The 2012 Stitcher Award (54:46)===
* [http://stitcher.promotw.com The Stitcher Awards]

== Science or Fiction (55:17) ==
S: [http://www.southernencounter.co.nz/seanews_whatsnew.htm Item number one]. The hagfish can rapidly produce as much as 20 liters of slime as a defense against predators. [http://www.sciencemag.org/content/254/5032/701 Item number two]. The oldest fossil hagfish is 300 million years old and shows remarkable similarity to modern hagfish, demonstrating unusual evolutionary stability. [http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090909/full/461164a.html Item number three]. Molecular analysis has confirmed that hagfish are transitional between vertebrates and invertebrates. And [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagfish item number four]. Hagfish are the only creatures known to have a skull but no vertebral column.

== Skeptical Quote of the Week (1:09:45) ==
<blockquote>The Web is great for finding a list of the ten biggest cities in the United States, but if the scientific literature is merely littered with wrong facts, then cyberspace is an enticing quagmire of falsehoods, propaganda, and just plain bunkum. There simply is no substitute for skepticism.</blockquote>
J: Samuel Arbesman!

{{Outro1}}

== References ==
<references/>

{{Navigation}}