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<p>GLG: Undo revision 3522 by Dasaratha (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>This is a sortable table of all of the transcribed 5X5 episodes, the date they were released, what was covered, and the topic categories.<br /> <br /> Episodes marked with {{tick}} have been proof-read; those marked {{i}} are in progress.<br /> {{5X5 episode list}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episodes&diff=3541 2012-10-17T06:07:15Z

<p>GLG: Undo revision 3523 by Dasaratha (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 infobox<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 2<br /> |Contents = Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. <br /> |episodeDate = 23&lt;sup&gt;rd&lt;/sup&gt; March 2008<br /> |verified = <br /> |previous = 11<br /> |next = 13<br /> |rebecca = y<br /> |bob = y<br /> |jay = y<br /> |evan = y<br /> |downloadLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcast.aspx?mid=2<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=12<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=9376.0<br /> |}} <br /> == Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5X5. The topic for this evening is the death of a 15-month-old Oregon City girl [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/28/madeline-neumann-11-year_n_93903.html Ava Worthington]. The 15-month-old girl was sick with pneumonia. Her parents, who were members of a local pentecostal cult called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Followers_of_Christ The Followers of Christ Church] believe in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_healing faith healing] and did not seek medical attention for their daughter, and as a result, unfortunately, the little girl did die. The parents are now under investigation because in 1999 a new law was passed in Oregon.. umm… removed some of the protections for parents who seek protection under their religious beliefs for this kind of medical neglect.<br /> <br /> E: The Followers of Christ Church… this is nothing new to them… umm… unfortunately, they've been relying on faith healing for pretty much their entire existence, since late in the 19th or early 20th century. The followers believe in a literal translation of the scripture which states that the sick shall be anointed by elders and the faith will heal all. Death comes if its God's will - they believe. Child deaths have plagued this church for a long time; at least 21 of 78 children who have died at the Church since 1955…umm… likely could have been saved with routine medical care. This is all part of an ongoing series of reports and investigations into this… well, cult as far as I'm concerned for quite a long time now. <br /> <br /> J: Also, it started with one guy his name is Walter White so called &quot;fire and brimstone&quot; preacher who brought the church to Oregon in the 30s. His followers believed that God appeared to this guy in a dream and chose him to be the leader of their group. <br /> <br /> S: His definitely a cult figure.<br /> <br /> E: Absolutely!<br /> <br /> R: It's pretty much how most religions start: angel appeared to me in a dream, told me I have God's blessing, blah blah blah, and it's sad though when it has this sort of result. You look at Christian scientists it's the same kind of thing where there's a focus on faith healing and God will heal us if it's meant to be. And because of that we have for instance mumps outbreaks and measles outbreaks in Boston, and it affects the most innocent member of the family like the little kid who can't even make decisions for themselves.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, obviously, when you're trying to balance the freedom of religion and the rights of a parent over their children with the duty to protect a child and to give at least the basic necessities of life, it's a very thorny issue. But I think that there is a general consensus that children should not be neglected to the point of permanent harm or death, regardless of what the views of their parents are. The primary promoters in this country of the rights of parents to rely entirely upon faith healing are the Christian scientists and even in this… the recent Oregon law that was passed largely in reaction to this cult or this church… the Christian scientists mobilized and tried to prevent this new law from passing to weaken the protections for faith healing parents. <br /> <br /> J: It's good to see that the states are starting to notice this and pass laws that are going to protect the children … but really, when does it step on freedom of speech or those people's rights to, you know, worship their religion? What do you guys think about that?<br /> <br /> R: Well yeah, I mean we can never… it's a fine line and obviously I don't think that we should ever pass a law that infringes upon a person to make their own independent choice about what they believe in just as long as we protect the people who can't decide what they do or don't believe in. And that's the little kids, so any law that's gonna protect children without affecting someone's own personal belief and how they conduct themselves, I'm gonna be o.k. with. But it is definitely a fine line there. <br /> <br /> S: But once kids are involved, let's then say it's a different story. I did come across while researching for this piece a group called [http://www.childrenshealthcare.org/ CHILD] which stands for Children's Health Care is a Legal Duty and they are a child advocacy group that try to act to have more of these Oregon type laws passed to protect children from medical neglect because their parents follow a faith healing belief system. This was started by Rita and Doug Swan who were in the Christian Science Church and their 15-month-old son Matthew died of an untreated meningitis because at the time they were believers and than later came to realize , you know, how misguided they were and are now, in his memory, trying to undo the damage that they did, started this group called CHILD. So hopefully this is the start of a trend and we're gonna see more laws in the direction of protecting children in cases like this. <br /> <br /> E: And fully prosecuting the parents whose responsibility it is to make sure their children get the treatment they need.<br /> <br /> S:That's right!<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episodes&diff=3540 2012-10-17T06:07:06Z

<p>GLG: Undo revision 3524 by Dasaratha (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 infobox<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 2<br /> |Contents = Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. <br /> |episodeDate = 23&lt;sup&gt;rd&lt;/sup&gt; March 2008<br /> |verified = <br /> |previous = 11<br /> |next = 13<br /> |rebecca = y<br /> |bob = y<br /> |jay = y<br /> |evan = y<br /> |downloadLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcast.aspx?mid=2<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=12<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=9376.0<br /> |}} <br /> == Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. == <br /> --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5X5. The topic for this evening is the death of a 15-month-old Oregon City girl [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/28/madeline-neumann-11-year_n_93903.html Ava Worthington]. The 15-month-old girl was sick with pneumonia. Her parents, who were members of a local pentecostal cult called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Followers_of_Christ The Followers of Christ Church] believe in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_healing faith healing] and did not seek medical attention for their daughter, and as a result, unfortunately, the little girl did die. The parents are now under investigation because in 1999 a new law was passed in Oregon.. umm… removed some of the protections for parents who seek protection under their religious beliefs for this kind of medical neglect.<br /> <br /> E: The Followers of Christ Church… this is nothing new to them… umm… unfortunately, they've been relying on faith healing for pretty much their entire existence, since late in the 19th or early 20th century. The followers believe in a literal translation of the scripture which states that the sick shall be anointed by elders and the faith will heal all. Death comes if its God's will - they believe. Child deaths have plagued this church for a long time; at least 21 of 78 children who have died at the Church since 1955…umm… likely could have been saved with routine medical care. This is all part of an ongoing series of reports and investigations into this… well, cult as far as I'm concerned for quite a long time now. <br /> <br /> J: Also, it started with one guy his name is Walter White so called &quot;fire and brimstone&quot; preacher who brought the church to Oregon in the 30s. His followers believed that God appeared to this guy in a dream and chose him to be the leader of their group. <br /> <br /> S: His definitely a cult figure.<br /> <br /> E: Absolutely!<br /> <br /> R: It's pretty much how most religions start: angel appeared to me in a dream, told me I have God's blessing, blah blah blah, and it's sad though when it has this sort of result. You look at Christian scientists it's the same kind of thing where there's a focus on faith healing and God will heal us if it's meant to be. And because of that we have for instance mumps outbreaks and measles outbreaks in Boston, and it affects the most innocent member of the family like the little kid who can't even make decisions for themselves.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, obviously, when you're trying to balance the freedom of religion and the rights of a parent over their children with the duty to protect a child and to give at least the basic necessities of life, it's a very thorny issue. But I think that there is a general consensus that children should not be neglected to the point of permanent harm or death, regardless of what the views of their parents are. The primary promoters in this country of the rights of parents to rely entirely upon faith healing are the Christian scientists and even in this… the recent Oregon law that was passed largely in reaction to this cult or this church… the Christian scientists mobilized and tried to prevent this new law from passing to weaken the protections for faith healing parents. <br /> <br /> J: It's good to see that the states are starting to notice this and pass laws that are going to protect the children … but really, when does it step on freedom of speech or those people's rights to, you know, worship their religion? What do you guys think about that?<br /> <br /> R: Well yeah, I mean we can never… it's a fine line and obviously I don't think that we should ever pass a law that infringes upon a person to make their own independent choice about what they believe in just as long as we protect the people who can't decide what they do or don't believe in. And that's the little kids, so any law that's gonna protect children without affecting someone's own personal belief and how they conduct themselves, I'm gonna be o.k. with. But it is definitely a fine line there. <br /> <br /> S: But once kids are involved, let's then say it's a different story. I did come across while researching for this piece a group called [http://www.childrenshealthcare.org/ CHILD] which stands for Children's Health Care is a Legal Duty and they are a child advocacy group that try to act to have more of these Oregon type laws passed to protect children from medical neglect because their parents follow a faith healing belief system. This was started by Rita and Doug Swan who were in the Christian Science Church and their 15-month-old son Matthew died of an untreated meningitis because at the time they were believers and than later came to realize , you know, how misguided they were and are now, in his memory, trying to undo the damage that they did, started this group called CHILD. So hopefully this is the start of a trend and we're gonna see more laws in the direction of protecting children in cases like this. <br /> <br /> E: And fully prosecuting the parents whose responsibility it is to make sure their children get the treatment they need.<br /> <br /> S:That's right!<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episodes&diff=3539 2012-10-17T06:06:57Z

<p>GLG: Undo revision 3525 by Dasaratha (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 infobox<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 2<br /> |Contents = Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. <br /> |episodeDate = 23&lt;sup&gt;rd&lt;/sup&gt; March 2008<br /> |verified = <br /> |previous = 11<br /> |next = 13<br /> |rebecca = y<br /> |bob = y<br /> |jay = y<br /> |evan = y<br /> |downloadLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcast.aspx?mid=2<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=12<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=9376.0<br /> |}} <br /> == Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. == <br /> --&gt;{{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5X5. The topic for this evening is the death of a 15-month-old Oregon City girl [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/28/madeline-neumann-11-year_n_93903.html Ava Worthington]. The 15-month-old girl was sick with pneumonia. Her parents, who were members of a local pentecostal cult called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Followers_of_Christ The Followers of Christ Church] believe in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_healing faith healing] and did not seek medical attention for their daughter, and as a result, unfortunately, the little girl did die. The parents are now under investigation because in 1999 a new law was passed in Oregon.. umm… removed some of the protections for parents who seek protection under their religious beliefs for this kind of medical neglect.<br /> <br /> E: The Followers of Christ Church… this is nothing new to them… umm… unfortunately, they've been relying on faith healing for pretty much their entire existence, since late in the 19th or early 20th century. The followers believe in a literal translation of the scripture which states that the sick shall be anointed by elders and the faith will heal all. Death comes if its God's will - they believe. Child deaths have plagued this church for a long time; at least 21 of 78 children who have died at the Church since 1955…umm… likely could have been saved with routine medical care. This is all part of an ongoing series of reports and investigations into this… well, cult as far as I'm concerned for quite a long time now. <br /> <br /> J: Also, it started with one guy his name is Walter White so called &quot;fire and brimstone&quot; preacher who brought the church to Oregon in the 30s. His followers believed that God appeared to this guy in a dream and chose him to be the leader of their group. <br /> <br /> S: His definitely a cult figure.<br /> <br /> E: Absolutely!<br /> <br /> R: It's pretty much how most religions start: angel appeared to me in a dream, told me I have God's blessing, blah blah blah, and it's sad though when it has this sort of result. You look at Christian scientists it's the same kind of thing where there's a focus on faith healing and God will heal us if it's meant to be. And because of that we have for instance mumps outbreaks and measles outbreaks in Boston, and it affects the most innocent member of the family like the little kid who can't even make decisions for themselves.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, obviously, when you're trying to balance the freedom of religion and the rights of a parent over their children with the duty to protect a child and to give at least the basic necessities of life, it's a very thorny issue. But I think that there is a general consensus that children should not be neglected to the point of permanent harm or death, regardless of what the views of their parents are. The primary promoters in this country of the rights of parents to rely entirely upon faith healing are the Christian scientists and even in this… the recent Oregon law that was passed largely in reaction to this cult or this church… the Christian scientists mobilized and tried to prevent this new law from passing to weaken the protections for faith healing parents. <br /> <br /> J: It's good to see that the states are starting to notice this and pass laws that are going to protect the children … but really, when does it step on freedom of speech or those people's rights to, you know, worship their religion? What do you guys think about that?<br /> <br /> R: Well yeah, I mean we can never… it's a fine line and obviously I don't think that we should ever pass a law that infringes upon a person to make their own independent choice about what they believe in just as long as we protect the people who can't decide what they do or don't believe in. And that's the little kids, so any law that's gonna protect children without affecting someone's own personal belief and how they conduct themselves, I'm gonna be o.k. with. But it is definitely a fine line there. <br /> <br /> S: But once kids are involved, let's then say it's a different story. I did come across while researching for this piece a group called [http://www.childrenshealthcare.org/ CHILD] which stands for Children's Health Care is a Legal Duty and they are a child advocacy group that try to act to have more of these Oregon type laws passed to protect children from medical neglect because their parents follow a faith healing belief system. This was started by Rita and Doug Swan who were in the Christian Science Church and their 15-month-old son Matthew died of an untreated meningitis because at the time they were believers and than later came to realize , you know, how misguided they were and are now, in his memory, trying to undo the damage that they did, started this group called CHILD. So hopefully this is the start of a trend and we're gonna see more laws in the direction of protecting children in cases like this. <br /> <br /> E: And fully prosecuting the parents whose responsibility it is to make sure their children get the treatment they need.<br /> <br /> S:That's right!<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episodes&diff=3538 2012-10-17T06:06:48Z

<p>GLG: Undo revision 3526 by Dasaratha (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 infobox<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 2<br /> |Contents = Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. <br /> |episodeDate = 23&lt;sup&gt;rd&lt;/sup&gt; March 2008<br /> |verified = <br /> |previous = 11<br /> |next = 13<br /> |rebecca = y<br /> |bob = y<br /> |jay = y<br /> |evan = y<br /> |downloadLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcast.aspx?mid=2<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=12<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=9376.0<br /> |}} <br /> == Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. == <br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5X5. The topic for this evening is the death of a 15-month-old Oregon City girl [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/28/madeline-neumann-11-year_n_93903.html Ava Worthington]. The 15-month-old girl was sick with pneumonia. Her parents, who were members of a local pentecostal cult called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Followers_of_Christ The Followers of Christ Church] believe in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_healing faith healing] and did not seek medical attention for their daughter, and as a result, unfortunately, the little girl did die. The parents are now under investigation because in 1999 a new law was passed in Oregon.. umm… removed some of the protections for parents who seek protection under their religious beliefs for this kind of medical neglect.<br /> <br /> E: The Followers of Christ Church… this is nothing new to them… umm… unfortunately, they've been relying on faith healing for pretty much their entire existence, since late in the 19th or early 20th century. The followers believe in a literal translation of the scripture which states that the sick shall be anointed by elders and the faith will heal all. Death comes if its God's will - they believe. Child deaths have plagued this church for a long time; at least 21 of 78 children who have died at the Church since 1955…umm… likely could have been saved with routine medical care. This is all part of an ongoing series of reports and investigations into this… well, cult as far as I'm concerned for quite a long time now. <br /> <br /> J: Also, it started with one guy his name is Walter White so called &quot;fire and brimstone&quot; preacher who brought the church to Oregon in the 30s. His followers believed that God appeared to this guy in a dream and chose him to be the leader of their group. <br /> <br /> S: His definitely a cult figure.<br /> <br /> E: Absolutely!<br /> <br /> R: It's pretty much how most religions start: angel appeared to me in a dream, told me I have God's blessing, blah blah blah, and it's sad though when it has this sort of result. You look at Christian scientists it's the same kind of thing where there's a focus on faith healing and God will heal us if it's meant to be. And because of that we have for instance mumps outbreaks and measles outbreaks in Boston, and it affects the most innocent member of the family like the little kid who can't even make decisions for themselves.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, obviously, when you're trying to balance the freedom of religion and the rights of a parent over their children with the duty to protect a child and to give at least the basic necessities of life, it's a very thorny issue. But I think that there is a general consensus that children should not be neglected to the point of permanent harm or death, regardless of what the views of their parents are. The primary promoters in this country of the rights of parents to rely entirely upon faith healing are the Christian scientists and even in this… the recent Oregon law that was passed largely in reaction to this cult or this church… the Christian scientists mobilized and tried to prevent this new law from passing to weaken the protections for faith healing parents. <br /> <br /> J: It's good to see that the states are starting to notice this and pass laws that are going to protect the children … but really, when does it step on freedom of speech or those people's rights to, you know, worship their religion? What do you guys think about that?<br /> <br /> R: Well yeah, I mean we can never… it's a fine line and obviously I don't think that we should ever pass a law that infringes upon a person to make their own independent choice about what they believe in just as long as we protect the people who can't decide what they do or don't believe in. And that's the little kids, so any law that's gonna protect children without affecting someone's own personal belief and how they conduct themselves, I'm gonna be o.k. with. But it is definitely a fine line there. <br /> <br /> S: But once kids are involved, let's then say it's a different story. I did come across while researching for this piece a group called [http://www.childrenshealthcare.org/ CHILD] which stands for Children's Health Care is a Legal Duty and they are a child advocacy group that try to act to have more of these Oregon type laws passed to protect children from medical neglect because their parents follow a faith healing belief system. This was started by Rita and Doug Swan who were in the Christian Science Church and their 15-month-old son Matthew died of an untreated meningitis because at the time they were believers and than later came to realize , you know, how misguided they were and are now, in his memory, trying to undo the damage that they did, started this group called CHILD. So hopefully this is the start of a trend and we're gonna see more laws in the direction of protecting children in cases like this. <br /> <br /> E: And fully prosecuting the parents whose responsibility it is to make sure their children get the treatment they need.<br /> <br /> S:That's right!<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episodes&diff=3537 2012-10-17T06:06:39Z

<p>GLG: Undo revision 3527 by Dasaratha (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> {{5X5 infobox<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 2<br /> |Contents = Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. <br /> |episodeDate = 23&lt;sup&gt;rd&lt;/sup&gt; March 2008<br /> |verified = <br /> |previous = 11<br /> |next = 13<br /> |rebecca = y<br /> |bob = y<br /> |jay = y<br /> |evan = y<br /> |downloadLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcast.aspx?mid=2<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=12<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=9376.0<br /> |}} <br /> == Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. == <br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5X5. The topic for this evening is the death of a 15-month-old Oregon City girl [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/28/madeline-neumann-11-year_n_93903.html Ava Worthington]. The 15-month-old girl was sick with pneumonia. Her parents, who were members of a local pentecostal cult called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Followers_of_Christ The Followers of Christ Church] believe in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_healing faith healing] and did not seek medical attention for their daughter, and as a result, unfortunately, the little girl did die. The parents are now under investigation because in 1999 a new law was passed in Oregon.. umm… removed some of the protections for parents who seek protection under their religious beliefs for this kind of medical neglect.<br /> <br /> E: The Followers of Christ Church… this is nothing new to them… umm… unfortunately, they've been relying on faith healing for pretty much their entire existence, since late in the 19th or early 20th century. The followers believe in a literal translation of the scripture which states that the sick shall be anointed by elders and the faith will heal all. Death comes if its God's will - they believe. Child deaths have plagued this church for a long time; at least 21 of 78 children who have died at the Church since 1955…umm… likely could have been saved with routine medical care. This is all part of an ongoing series of reports and investigations into this… well, cult as far as I'm concerned for quite a long time now. <br /> <br /> J: Also, it started with one guy his name is Walter White so called &quot;fire and brimstone&quot; preacher who brought the church to Oregon in the 30s. His followers believed that God appeared to this guy in a dream and chose him to be the leader of their group. <br /> <br /> S: His definitely a cult figure.<br /> <br /> E: Absolutely!<br /> <br /> R: It's pretty much how most religions start: angel appeared to me in a dream, told me I have God's blessing, blah blah blah, and it's sad though when it has this sort of result. You look at Christian scientists it's the same kind of thing where there's a focus on faith healing and God will heal us if it's meant to be. And because of that we have for instance mumps outbreaks and measles outbreaks in Boston, and it affects the most innocent member of the family like the little kid who can't even make decisions for themselves.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, obviously, when you're trying to balance the freedom of religion and the rights of a parent over their children with the duty to protect a child and to give at least the basic necessities of life, it's a very thorny issue. But I think that there is a general consensus that children should not be neglected to the point of permanent harm or death, regardless of what the views of their parents are. The primary promoters in this country of the rights of parents to rely entirely upon faith healing are the Christian scientists and even in this… the recent Oregon law that was passed largely in reaction to this cult or this church… the Christian scientists mobilized and tried to prevent this new law from passing to weaken the protections for faith healing parents. <br /> <br /> J: It's good to see that the states are starting to notice this and pass laws that are going to protect the children … but really, when does it step on freedom of speech or those people's rights to, you know, worship their religion? What do you guys think about that?<br /> <br /> R: Well yeah, I mean we can never… it's a fine line and obviously I don't think that we should ever pass a law that infringes upon a person to make their own independent choice about what they believe in just as long as we protect the people who can't decide what they do or don't believe in. And that's the little kids, so any law that's gonna protect children without affecting someone's own personal belief and how they conduct themselves, I'm gonna be o.k. with. But it is definitely a fine line there. <br /> <br /> S: But once kids are involved, let's then say it's a different story. I did come across while researching for this piece a group called [http://www.childrenshealthcare.org/ CHILD] which stands for Children's Health Care is a Legal Duty and they are a child advocacy group that try to act to have more of these Oregon type laws passed to protect children from medical neglect because their parents follow a faith healing belief system. This was started by Rita and Doug Swan who were in the Christian Science Church and their 15-month-old son Matthew died of an untreated meningitis because at the time they were believers and than later came to realize , you know, how misguided they were and are now, in his memory, trying to undo the damage that they did, started this group called CHILD. So hopefully this is the start of a trend and we're gonna see more laws in the direction of protecting children in cases like this. <br /> <br /> E: And fully prosecuting the parents whose responsibility it is to make sure their children get the treatment they need.<br /> <br /> S:That's right!<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episodes&diff=3536 2012-10-17T06:06:30Z

<p>GLG: Undo revision 3528 by Dasaratha (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 infobox<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 2<br /> |Contents = Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. <br /> |episodeDate = 23&lt;sup&gt;rd&lt;/sup&gt; March 2008<br /> |verified = <br /> |previous = 11<br /> |next = 13<br /> |rebecca = y<br /> |bob = y<br /> |jay = y<br /> |evan = y<br /> |downloadLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcast.aspx?mid=2<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=12<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=9376.0<br /> |}} <br /> == Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. == <br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5X5. The topic for this evening is the death of a 15-month-old Oregon City girl [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/28/madeline-neumann-11-year_n_93903.html Ava Worthington]. The 15-month-old girl was sick with pneumonia. Her parents, who were members of a local pentecostal cult called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Followers_of_Christ The Followers of Christ Church] believe in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_healing faith healing] and did not seek medical attention for their daughter, and as a result, unfortunately, the little girl did die. The parents are now under investigation because in 1999 a new law was passed in Oregon.. umm… removed some of the protections for parents who seek protection under their religious beliefs for this kind of medical neglect.<br /> <br /> E: The Followers of Christ Church… this is nothing new to them… umm… unfortunately, they've been relying on faith healing for pretty much their entire existence, since late in the 19th or early 20th century. The followers believe in a literal translation of the scripture which states that the sick shall be anointed by elders and the faith will heal all. Death comes if its God's will - they believe. Child deaths have plagued this church for a long time; at least 21 of 78 children who have died at the Church since 1955…umm… likely could have been saved with routine medical care. This is all part of an ongoing series of reports and investigations into this… well, cult as far as I'm concerned for quite a long time now. <br /> <br /> J: Also, it started with one guy his name is Walter White so called &quot;fire and brimstone&quot; preacher who brought the church to Oregon in the 30s. His followers believed that God appeared to this guy in a dream and chose him to be the leader of their group. <br /> <br /> S: His definitely a cult figure.<br /> <br /> E: Absolutely!<br /> <br /> R: It's pretty much how most religions start: angel appeared to me in a dream, told me I have God's blessing, blah blah blah, and it's sad though when it has this sort of result. You look at Christian scientists it's the same kind of thing where there's a focus on faith healing and God will heal us if it's meant to be. And because of that we have for instance mumps outbreaks and measles outbreaks in Boston, and it affects the most innocent member of the family like the little kid who can't even make decisions for themselves.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, obviously, when you're trying to balance the freedom of religion and the rights of a parent over their children with the duty to protect a child and to give at least the basic necessities of life, it's a very thorny issue. But I think that there is a general consensus that children should not be neglected to the point of permanent harm or death, regardless of what the views of their parents are. The primary promoters in this country of the rights of parents to rely entirely upon faith healing are the Christian scientists and even in this… the recent Oregon law that was passed largely in reaction to this cult or this church… the Christian scientists mobilized and tried to prevent this new law from passing to weaken the protections for faith healing parents. <br /> <br /> J: It's good to see that the states are starting to notice this and pass laws that are going to protect the children … but really, when does it step on freedom of speech or those people's rights to, you know, worship their religion? What do you guys think about that?<br /> <br /> R: Well yeah, I mean we can never… it's a fine line and obviously I don't think that we should ever pass a law that infringes upon a person to make their own independent choice about what they believe in just as long as we protect the people who can't decide what they do or don't believe in. And that's the little kids, so any law that's gonna protect children without affecting someone's own personal belief and how they conduct themselves, I'm gonna be o.k. with. But it is definitely a fine line there. <br /> <br /> S: But once kids are involved, let's then say it's a different story. I did come across while researching for this piece a group called [http://www.childrenshealthcare.org/ CHILD] which stands for Children's Health Care is a Legal Duty and they are a child advocacy group that try to act to have more of these Oregon type laws passed to protect children from medical neglect because their parents follow a faith healing belief system. This was started by Rita and Doug Swan who were in the Christian Science Church and their 15-month-old son Matthew died of an untreated meningitis because at the time they were believers and than later came to realize , you know, how misguided they were and are now, in his memory, trying to undo the damage that they did, started this group called CHILD. So hopefully this is the start of a trend and we're gonna see more laws in the direction of protecting children in cases like this. <br /> <br /> E: And fully prosecuting the parents whose responsibility it is to make sure their children get the treatment they need.<br /> <br /> S:That's right!<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episodes&diff=3535 2012-10-17T06:06:21Z

<p>GLG: Undo revision 3529 by Dasaratha (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required &lt;!-- for an explanation, see [[Template:5X5_editing_required]] --&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- Help needed to distinguish Rogues <br /> |proof-reading = y &lt;!-- please only include when some transcription is present. --&gt;<br /> |formatting = y<br /> |links = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> {{5X5 infobox<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 2<br /> |Contents = Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. <br /> |episodeDate = 23&lt;sup&gt;rd&lt;/sup&gt; March 2008<br /> |verified = <br /> |previous = 11<br /> |next = 13<br /> |rebecca = y<br /> |bob = y<br /> |jay = y<br /> |evan = y<br /> |downloadLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcast.aspx?mid=2<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=12<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=9376.0<br /> |}} <br /> == Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. == <br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5X5. The topic for this evening is the death of a 15-month-old Oregon City girl [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/28/madeline-neumann-11-year_n_93903.html Ava Worthington]. The 15-month-old girl was sick with pneumonia. Her parents, who were members of a local pentecostal cult called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Followers_of_Christ The Followers of Christ Church] believe in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_healing faith healing] and did not seek medical attention for their daughter, and as a result, unfortunately, the little girl did die. The parents are now under investigation because in 1999 a new law was passed in Oregon.. umm… removed some of the protections for parents who seek protection under their religious beliefs for this kind of medical neglect.<br /> <br /> E: The Followers of Christ Church… this is nothing new to them… umm… unfortunately, they've been relying on faith healing for pretty much their entire existence, since late in the 19th or early 20th century. The followers believe in a literal translation of the scripture which states that the sick shall be anointed by elders and the faith will heal all. Death comes if its God's will - they believe. Child deaths have plagued this church for a long time; at least 21 of 78 children who have died at the Church since 1955…umm… likely could have been saved with routine medical care. This is all part of an ongoing series of reports and investigations into this… well, cult as far as I'm concerned for quite a long time now. <br /> <br /> J: Also, it started with one guy his name is Walter White so called &quot;fire and brimstone&quot; preacher who brought the church to Oregon in the 30s. His followers believed that God appeared to this guy in a dream and chose him to be the leader of their group. <br /> <br /> S: His definitely a cult figure.<br /> <br /> E: Absolutely!<br /> <br /> R: It's pretty much how most religions start: angel appeared to me in a dream, told me I have God's blessing, blah blah blah, and it's sad though when it has this sort of result. You look at Christian scientists it's the same kind of thing where there's a focus on faith healing and God will heal us if it's meant to be. And because of that we have for instance mumps outbreaks and measles outbreaks in Boston, and it affects the most innocent member of the family like the little kid who can't even make decisions for themselves.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, obviously, when you're trying to balance the freedom of religion and the rights of a parent over their children with the duty to protect a child and to give at least the basic necessities of life, it's a very thorny issue. But I think that there is a general consensus that children should not be neglected to the point of permanent harm or death, regardless of what the views of their parents are. The primary promoters in this country of the rights of parents to rely entirely upon faith healing are the Christian scientists and even in this… the recent Oregon law that was passed largely in reaction to this cult or this church… the Christian scientists mobilized and tried to prevent this new law from passing to weaken the protections for faith healing parents. <br /> <br /> J: It's good to see that the states are starting to notice this and pass laws that are going to protect the children … but really, when does it step on freedom of speech or those people's rights to, you know, worship their religion? What do you guys think about that?<br /> <br /> R: Well yeah, I mean we can never… it's a fine line and obviously I don't think that we should ever pass a law that infringes upon a person to make their own independent choice about what they believe in just as long as we protect the people who can't decide what they do or don't believe in. And that's the little kids, so any law that's gonna protect children without affecting someone's own personal belief and how they conduct themselves, I'm gonna be o.k. with. But it is definitely a fine line there. <br /> <br /> S: But once kids are involved, let's then say it's a different story. I did come across while researching for this piece a group called [http://www.childrenshealthcare.org/ CHILD] which stands for Children's Health Care is a Legal Duty and they are a child advocacy group that try to act to have more of these Oregon type laws passed to protect children from medical neglect because their parents follow a faith healing belief system. This was started by Rita and Doug Swan who were in the Christian Science Church and their 15-month-old son Matthew died of an untreated meningitis because at the time they were believers and than later came to realize , you know, how misguided they were and are now, in his memory, trying to undo the damage that they did, started this group called CHILD. So hopefully this is the start of a trend and we're gonna see more laws in the direction of protecting children in cases like this. <br /> <br /> E: And fully prosecuting the parents whose responsibility it is to make sure their children get the treatment they need.<br /> <br /> S:That's right!<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episodes&diff=3534 2012-10-17T06:05:05Z

<p>GLG: Undo revision 3530 by Dasaratha (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 infobox<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 2<br /> |Contents = Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. <br /> |episodeDate = 23&lt;sup&gt;rd&lt;/sup&gt; March 2008<br /> |verified = <br /> |previous = 11<br /> |next = 13<br /> |rebecca = y<br /> |bob = y<br /> |jay = y<br /> |evan = y<br /> |downloadLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcast.aspx?mid=2<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=12<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=9376.0<br /> |}} <br /> == Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. == <br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5X5. The topic for this evening is the death of a 15-month-old Oregon City girl [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/28/madeline-neumann-11-year_n_93903.html Ava Worthington]. The 15-month-old girl was sick with pneumonia. Her parents, who were members of a local pentecostal cult called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Followers_of_Christ The Followers of Christ Church] believe in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_healing faith healing] and did not seek medical attention for their daughter, and as a result, unfortunately, the little girl did die. The parents are now under investigation because in 1999 a new law was passed in Oregon.. umm… removed some of the protections for parents who seek protection under their religious beliefs for this kind of medical neglect.<br /> <br /> E: The Followers of Christ Church… this is nothing new to them… umm… unfortunately, they've been relying on faith healing for pretty much their entire existence, since late in the 19th or early 20th century. The followers believe in a literal translation of the scripture which states that the sick shall be anointed by elders and the faith will heal all. Death comes if its God's will - they believe. Child deaths have plagued this church for a long time; at least 21 of 78 children who have died at the Church since 1955…umm… likely could have been saved with routine medical care. This is all part of an ongoing series of reports and investigations into this… well, cult as far as I'm concerned for quite a long time now. <br /> <br /> J: Also, it started with one guy his name is Walter White so called &quot;fire and brimstone&quot; preacher who brought the church to Oregon in the 30s. His followers believed that God appeared to this guy in a dream and chose him to be the leader of their group. <br /> <br /> S: His definitely a cult figure.<br /> <br /> E: Absolutely!<br /> <br /> R: It's pretty much how most religions start: angel appeared to me in a dream, told me I have God's blessing, blah blah blah, and it's sad though when it has this sort of result. You look at Christian scientists it's the same kind of thing where there's a focus on faith healing and God will heal us if it's meant to be. And because of that we have for instance mumps outbreaks and measles outbreaks in Boston, and it affects the most innocent member of the family like the little kid who can't even make decisions for themselves.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, obviously, when you're trying to balance the freedom of religion and the rights of a parent over their children with the duty to protect a child and to give at least the basic necessities of life, it's a very thorny issue. But I think that there is a general consensus that children should not be neglected to the point of permanent harm or death, regardless of what the views of their parents are. The primary promoters in this country of the rights of parents to rely entirely upon faith healing are the Christian scientists and even in this… the recent Oregon law that was passed largely in reaction to this cult or this church… the Christian scientists mobilized and tried to prevent this new law from passing to weaken the protections for faith healing parents. <br /> <br /> J: It's good to see that the states are starting to notice this and pass laws that are going to protect the children … but really, when does it step on freedom of speech or those people's rights to, you know, worship their religion? What do you guys think about that?<br /> <br /> R: Well yeah, I mean we can never… it's a fine line and obviously I don't think that we should ever pass a law that infringes upon a person to make their own independent choice about what they believe in just as long as we protect the people who can't decide what they do or don't believe in. And that's the little kids, so any law that's gonna protect children without affecting someone's own personal belief and how they conduct themselves, I'm gonna be o.k. with. But it is definitely a fine line there. <br /> <br /> S: But once kids are involved, let's then say it's a different story. I did come across while researching for this piece a group called [http://www.childrenshealthcare.org/ CHILD] which stands for Children's Health Care is a Legal Duty and they are a child advocacy group that try to act to have more of these Oregon type laws passed to protect children from medical neglect because their parents follow a faith healing belief system. This was started by Rita and Doug Swan who were in the Christian Science Church and their 15-month-old son Matthew died of an untreated meningitis because at the time they were believers and than later came to realize , you know, how misguided they were and are now, in his memory, trying to undo the damage that they did, started this group called CHILD. So hopefully this is the start of a trend and we're gonna see more laws in the direction of protecting children in cases like this. <br /> <br /> E: And fully prosecuting the parents whose responsibility it is to make sure their children get the treatment they need.<br /> <br /> S:That's right!<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 editing required<br /> |transcription = y<br /> |proof-reading = y &lt;!-- please only include when some transcription is present. --&gt;<br /> |formatting = y<br /> |links = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episodes&diff=3533 2012-10-17T06:04:41Z

<p>GLG: Undo revision 3532 by Dasaratha (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |transcription = y<br /> |proof-reading = y &lt;!-- please only include when some transcription is present. --&gt;<br /> |formatting = y<br /> |links = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> {{5X5 infobox<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 2<br /> |Contents = Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. <br /> |episodeDate = 23&lt;sup&gt;rd&lt;/sup&gt; March 2008<br /> |verified = <br /> |previous = 11<br /> |next = 13<br /> |rebecca = y<br /> |bob = y<br /> |jay = y<br /> |evan = y<br /> |downloadLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcast.aspx?mid=2<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=12<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=9376.0<br /> |}} <br /> == Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect. == <br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5X5. The topic for this evening is the death of a 15-month-old Oregon City girl [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/28/madeline-neumann-11-year_n_93903.html Ava Worthington]. The 15-month-old girl was sick with pneumonia. Her parents, who were members of a local pentecostal cult called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Followers_of_Christ The Followers of Christ Church] believe in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_healing faith healing] and did not seek medical attention for their daughter, and as a result, unfortunately, the little girl did die. The parents are now under investigation because in 1999 a new law was passed in Oregon.. umm… removed some of the protections for parents who seek protection under their religious beliefs for this kind of medical neglect.<br /> <br /> E: The Followers of Christ Church… this is nothing new to them… umm… unfortunately, they've been relying on faith healing for pretty much their entire existence, since late in the 19th or early 20th century. The followers believe in a literal translation of the scripture which states that the sick shall be anointed by elders and the faith will heal all. Death comes if its God's will - they believe. Child deaths have plagued this church for a long time; at least 21 of 78 children who have died at the Church since 1955…umm… likely could have been saved with routine medical care. This is all part of an ongoing series of reports and investigations into this… well, cult as far as I'm concerned for quite a long time now. <br /> <br /> J: Also, it started with one guy his name is Walter White so called &quot;fire and brimstone&quot; preacher who brought the church to Oregon in the 30s. His followers believed that God appeared to this guy in a dream and chose him to be the leader of their group. <br /> <br /> S: His definitely a cult figure.<br /> <br /> E: Absolutely!<br /> <br /> R: It's pretty much how most religions start: angel appeared to me in a dream, told me I have God's blessing, blah blah blah, and it's sad though when it has this sort of result. You look at Christian scientists it's the same kind of thing where there's a focus on faith healing and God will heal us if it's meant to be. And because of that we have for instance mumps outbreaks and measles outbreaks in Boston, and it affects the most innocent member of the family like the little kid who can't even make decisions for themselves.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, obviously, when you're trying to balance the freedom of religion and the rights of a parent over their children with the duty to protect a child and to give at least the basic necessities of life, it's a very thorny issue. But I think that there is a general consensus that children should not be neglected to the point of permanent harm or death, regardless of what the views of their parents are. The primary promoters in this country of the rights of parents to rely entirely upon faith healing are the Christian scientists and even in this… the recent Oregon law that was passed largely in reaction to this cult or this church… the Christian scientists mobilized and tried to prevent this new law from passing to weaken the protections for faith healing parents. <br /> <br /> J: It's good to see that the states are starting to notice this and pass laws that are going to protect the children … but really, when does it step on freedom of speech or those people's rights to, you know, worship their religion? What do you guys think about that?<br /> <br /> R: Well yeah, I mean we can never… it's a fine line and obviously I don't think that we should ever pass a law that infringes upon a person to make their own independent choice about what they believe in just as long as we protect the people who can't decide what they do or don't believe in. And that's the little kids, so any law that's gonna protect children without affecting someone's own personal belief and how they conduct themselves, I'm gonna be o.k. with. But it is definitely a fine line there. <br /> <br /> S: But once kids are involved, let's then say it's a different story. I did come across while researching for this piece a group called [http://www.childrenshealthcare.org/ CHILD] which stands for Children's Health Care is a Legal Duty and they are a child advocacy group that try to act to have more of these Oregon type laws passed to protect children from medical neglect because their parents follow a faith healing belief system. This was started by Rita and Doug Swan who were in the Christian Science Church and their 15-month-old son Matthew died of an untreated meningitis because at the time they were believers and than later came to realize , you know, how misguided they were and are now, in his memory, trying to undo the damage that they did, started this group called CHILD. So hopefully this is the start of a trend and we're gonna see more laws in the direction of protecting children in cases like this. <br /> <br /> E: And fully prosecuting the parents whose responsibility it is to make sure their children get the treatment they need.<br /> <br /> S:That's right!<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_9&diff=3291 2012-10-15T10:16:32Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 9 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11 <br /> |episodeDate = 2&lt;sup&gt;nd&lt;/sup&gt; March 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |guest1 = ML: Mike Lacelle<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-03-02.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=9<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8980.msg194205.html#msg194205<br /> |}}<br /> ==Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11== &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, Mike Lacelle is sitting in for Jay Novella tonight. Tonight’s issue is actress [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Cotillard Marion Cotillard], who has recently won the Oscar for best actress, for her portrayal of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89dith_Piaf Édith Piaf] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Vie_en_rose_%28film%29 La Vie en rose], stunned Hollywood by saying something stupid.<br /> <br /> R: Oh my god!<br /> <br /> S: (laughter) This has never happened before. We were shocked!<br /> <br /> R: Never! Not since [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Nelson Willie Nelson].<br /> <br /> S: She has essentially endorsed 9-11 conspiracy theories by calling into question the collapse of the world trade centre. She said, and I quote, &quot;We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes, are they burned? There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burned for 24 hours. It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there, in New York, in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed.&quot; Well, there you go!<br /> <br /> E: How can you argue with that?<br /> <br /> S: That’s right.<br /> <br /> R: It’s brilliant. Clearly she’s an expert on the case. Case dismissed. Ahmm…<br /> <br /> E: She went, she went to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_O%27Donnell Rosie O'Donnell] school of engineering, all about buildings.<br /> <br /> R: Okay, there’s so many problems with what she said. I’d say there’s at least like one factually incorrect thing in every sentence. First of all, we see other towers the same kind being hit by flames? Where? go on name one. Anyone?<br /> <br /> S: Of the same kind is the key there. I mean with the same kind of construction as the towers? I don’t think so.<br /> <br /> R: Right. Now, she brings up the tower in Spain, which she’s referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower_%28Madrid%29 Windsor building], which was a building that was on fire back in 2005. Completely different building, like not at all like the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center World Trade Center]. It was 32 floors compared to a hundred and some. It was steel reinforced concrete, as opposed to being steel frame. And the steel inside the Windsor building did suffer a complete structural collapse. The only thing that was left was the concrete. She’s an actress though, I mean ... why are we putting stock in what she says? It’s kind of depressing. I’m certainly not saying that ''we’re'' putting stock in it, but it depressed me that this is like, big news. Just shut up and act!<br /> <br /> B: It gets worse though. She says that the buildings were &quot;a money-sucker because they were finished, it seems to me, by 1973, and to re-cable all that, to bring it up-to-date all the technology and everything, it was a lot more expensive, that work, than destroying it.&quot; So that’s kind of her take on it, that it was old and outmoded and it would have been expensive to update it, so we just concocted this whole thing. Well, I think that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloseum Colloseum] in Rome needs re-cabling as well...<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> B: let’s just fly the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_shuttle Space shuttle] in it, and be done with it.<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, I don’t think we, we don’t keep buildings for more than 30 years, I mean, come on!<br /> <br /> B: Aghh, God!<br /> <br /> R: And I’m picturing like that guy from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29 Monopoly] with the money bags, like that’s what I’m picturing running away from the World Trade Center: ha-ha-ha suckers! Money everywhere!<br /> <br /> S: Now, to put things into a little bit of perspective, she also called into the question the moon landings.<br /> <br /> B: Ah-ha<br /> <br /> S: She doesn’t think that America actually landed on the moon.<br /> <br /> ML: Her attorney actually recently made a statement saying that her remarks were taken out of context. I watched the interview and, where she makes the comments, and just before she start talking about, about 9-11 she says, well she says: &quot;''J'ai tendance à être plutôt souvent de l'avis de la théorie du complot''&quot; which is her admitting that she has a tendency to accept conspiracy theories. So you know, it’s pretty hard to take a statement like that out of context.<br /> <br /> S: So she placed it into context for us. Thank you!<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> R: Yeah. Unless she said everything I’m about to say is a complete and utter stupid lie, there’s really no taking it out of context.<br /> <br /> S: Right, right. Now I was interested in the… in this because my memory was that one of the first 9-11 conspiracy books was actually written by a French author, and that was the book [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11:_The_Big_Lie ''Horrifying Fraud''] by... that book was by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Meyssan Thierry Meyssan]. And that was like right in 2002, that was very soon after 9-11. My recollection is that was when… that was the first I heard of the whole 9-11 conspiracy thing. So it really, the 9-11 conspiracy theorist got their start in France. I also found that there was a French politician who was currently a minister in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Sarkozy President Sarkozy's] government and that is the French Housing Minister [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Boutin Christine Boutin] also said very similar comments about 9-11 and interestingly also called into question the moon landings. Using almost the exact same terms as the actress. So there’s seems to be, maybe they’re reading the same websites.<br /> <br /> E: So what do we have here Steve? Do we have like these people’s brain are hardwired a certain way to just fall in and believe these conspiracy theories whole sale?<br /> <br /> S: One can only speculate. We do see people who believe in one conspiracy tending to believe in many conspiracies. There definitely is a mindset at work here.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

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<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 10 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Spielberg to Create Online Paranormal Community <br /> |episodeDate = 9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; March 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-03-09.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=10<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,9116.msg198150.html#msg198150<br /> |}}<br /> ==Spielberg to Create Online Paranormal Community== &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: this is the SGU 5x5, and tonight’s topic is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Spielberg Steven Spielberg] back in the paranormal news. According to [http://techcrunch.com/ techcrunch dot com] Stephen Spielberg is planning a new online social network dedicated to ghosts and UFOs.<br /> <br /> R: It’s gonna be called Myspace between Myears.<br /> <br /> B: (laughter)<br /> <br /> E: I heard it was gonna be Myghost.<br /> <br /> R: Thank you, I’ll be here all week!<br /> <br /> S: Myghost dot com...?<br /> <br /> J: So the point of this is that, people can just post videos, and stories, and blogs about paranormal experience?<br /> <br /> R: Yeah, I mean, but the crazy thing is though, you know, we already have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myspace Myspace], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendster Friendster], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook Facebook], and they are all overrun with paranormal groups. Go to Myspace search in the groups for paranormal, you’ll get, like 900 different groups on the paranormal. This is doomed to be completely useless.<br /> <br /> E: But there’s a the-, there is a prevailing unofficial theory out there that, he’s perhaps using this as some sort of launch for future project, something to go viral, some place to collect a lot of people an upcoming project or movie, television series, whatever it might be.<br /> <br /> J: Well, I though about this too Ev. But, you know, so what? The end result of this is, there’s still more propagation of this crap. You know?<br /> <br /> E: Oh yeah.<br /> <br /> S: It’s just another location to spread anecdotes, you know, about personal alleged paranormal experiences. And the only reason why this might have any legs is because the name Steven Spielberg is attached to it.<br /> <br /> B: Right.<br /> <br /> S: If there’s eh, you know, I think if this were just another network it would probably, probably wouldn’t do anything. And Steven Spielberg does have a long history of fascination with ghosts and… aliens.<br /> <br /> B: That’s true. I didn’t really think of that, until I saw the list of all his movies together. A lot of his movies. And then it really hit me. You got [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_Encounters_of_the_Third_Kind ''Close Encounters of the Third Kind''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poltergeist_%28film%29 ''Poltergeist''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial ''E.T.''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casper_%28film%29 ''Casper''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black_%28film%29 ''Men in Black''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Haunting_%281999_film%29 ''The Haunting''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Worlds_%282005_film%29 ''War of the Worlds'']. I... I guess he had various levels of involvement in, in these, all these different movies besides just being a director for the earlier ones. But it really hit home that yeah, he really does have a real fascination with this stuff. And then he’s got [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_%28film%29#Films ''Interstellar''], a movie coming out in 2009. Does anyone know what this is about?<br /> <br /> J: Yes. About… about these interstellar people.<br /> <br /> B: Ah-ha!<br /> <br /> R: It’s good!<br /> <br /> E: Something about, something happening between the stars, I don’t know.<br /> <br /> J: (laughter)<br /> <br /> R: ''Interstellar'' is about a physicist and his theories of gravity fields, wormholes, and several hypotheses that Albert Einstein was never able to prove.<br /> <br /> S: And in addition to his movies, I mean this is where Spielberg mixes fact and fiction, he also produced [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taken_%28TV_miniseries%29 ''Taken''] for the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syfy Science Fiction Channel].<br /> <br /> B: Yeah<br /> <br /> S: Remember that?<br /> <br /> (everyone agreeing)<br /> <br /> S: Which was an overview of the… claims of UFO believers, including alien abductions, and crashed saucers, and big time on the UFO, big government conspiracy cover-up. And this was, I guess, pseudo-documentary. And it was interesting that it aired on the Science Fiction Channel. You might argue that that’s where it belongs. But it definitely was presented not as pure fiction, but as based upon something actually happening.<br /> <br /> E: Yeah. There’s also a widely reported story that Spielberg in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson,_Texas Jefferson, Texas], some 20 years ago roughly, has stayed in a haunted hotel, and witnessed a ghost and was so frighted by it that he took him, and his whole staff, and his crew, and they left the hotel that night, as they were so afraid of what happened.<br /> <br /> B: Isn’t that funny. Because that what we would... we always say when we watch those movies and how the people react unrealistically, you say to yourself: well, just move out of this hole and, and get away. And that’s exactly what he did.<br /> <br /> R: (chuckle)<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, if the walls really were ''bleeding'' then… most people I think wouldn’t stick around to see what else happened.<br /> <br /> J: So let me ask you guys, does this knock down Spielberg a peg? In your opinion overall?<br /> <br /> R: A peg or two.<br /> <br /> E: I think it reinforces what I’ve, what I’ve kind of always thought of Steven Spielberg, like Steve said about the ''Taken'', and really ever since that came out, I think it just reinforces the fact that, you know, this part of him is … you know, not all there.<br /> <br /> R: Yeah, I mean well, he’s a creative-<br /> <br /> S: I love his movies!<br /> <br /> R: he’s a creative person who’s used that to good extent thus far but… trying to make the leap online, I mean, if he even... if he does actually follow through on it I’m pretty sure that it’s doomed for failure. Because what you’re gonnna get is a bunch of, well, you know, people that you might found on Myspace only worse. Talking about: oh I saw a ghost the other way; no seriously dude, I totally did. You know, nobody is gonna tune into that, sorry. Go back to making movies.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, I mean, Spielberg appears to be just another true believer who’s insufficiently skeptical. Unfortunately this true believer happens to have millions of dollars and he knows how to use a camera. <br /> <br /> E: You know, he’s done some pretty good jobs with other, like world war two movies, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saving_Private_Ryan ''Saving Private Ryan''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shindler%27s_List ''Shindler’s List''], and of course [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941_%28film%29 ''1941''].<br /> <br /> B: (laughter)<br /> <br /> J: You know, once again, I… I hate to know details like this about people that I like or admire in the movies or whatever, because-<br /> <br /> E: He’s friends with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cruise Tom Cruise], Jay.<br /> <br /> J: Is he really?<br /> <br /> S: Is that right?<br /> <br /> E: Oh yeah, they’ve… he’s acted in few of his movies: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_%28film%29 ''Minority Report''], ''War of the Worlds''.<br /> <br /> S: Sometimes it’s just better to separate the art from the artist.<br /> <br /> E: Hmm.<br /> <br /> R: Agreed!<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

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<p>GLG: Created page</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 11 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = City of Portland to Receive Acupuncture <br /> |episodeDate = 16&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; March 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-03-16.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=11<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,9228.msg201954.html#msg201954<br /> |}}<br /> ==City of Portland to Receive Acupuncture== &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, the topic for tonight is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture acupuncture] for the city of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland,_Oregon Portland, Oregon]. Artist Adam Kuby has a project which apparently is under way, in which he has mapped out the energy flow to the city of the Portland and is administering gigantic acupuncture needles to the city.<br /> <br /> J: Wow!<br /> <br /> E: It’s about time.<br /> <br /> J: So Portland has [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra chakras], huh?<br /> <br /> E: All over.<br /> <br /> S: Apparently. I have heard cities needing an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enema enema], but acupuncture? That’s a new one.<br /> <br /> B: And [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridian_%28Chinese_medicine%29 meridians].<br /> <br /> S: This is, this is about one of the dumbest things I ever heard.<br /> <br /> B: It's up there, <br /> <br /> S: We’ll link to the website<br /> <br /> B: ...top 10.<br /> <br /> S: ...it says: think of the city as a body the way traditional Chinese medicine does. With, you know, flowing energy that gotta be balanced and… etcetra etcetra. It just, again, just transferring all of the magic and woo from acupuncture in the body with, you know, flows of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi chi] energy through the meridians, and just translating it to a city.<br /> <br /> R: It’s an art project, and I can understand how… how an artist can take something that’s pseudo-scientific and get some inspiration out of it. And if you were to have taken that, like when I first saw the headline I thought: oh, well, he’s using it metaphorically to mean, you know<br /> <br /> B: Right<br /> <br /> R: …let’s put these needles in and it would bring people’s attention to where development needs to happen, where we need to focus funding, things like that, and get people talking. I think that’s a really good idea. And then I read it, and he’s totally serious! Like… (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Yeah. It seems to be so, if there’s no hint of metaphor here.<br /> <br /> R: He wants to bring in a team of acupuncturists. It’s it’s…<br /> <br /> B: He seems to be serious but then, on the other hand in the other parts of the webpage that I read he seems not to be totally serious. Here’s one quote from the webpage that kind of make me not know which direction he’s going in. It says: “by pinpointing Portland’s health problems the project could increase public’s awareness of this issues, which in turn could lead to actual improvements in the city’s health.” So what is it? Is he, you know, is he poking meridians and healing the flow of energy, or is he inspiring people to make, to make improvements, you know, the old fashioned way? So what is it? It seems bull.<br /> <br /> S: Those aren’t mutually exclusive, he’s probably saying: oh yeah, sure, it’s all good. It’s all, it's bull.<br /> <br /> J: Yeah. It also could be a stunt, you know? It looks more like a stunt to me.<br /> <br /> R: Yeah, and it’s, it's not particularly...<br /> <br /> S: Well, it’s that too. I mean, again, these are all… again, none of these are mutually exclusive. I’m sure it’s a big proj- city-wide project, I’m sure it’s gonna draw him a lot of attention. He’s certainly, you know, has it prominently on his webpage. The text of the website is certainly, you know, dead serious. There’s no hint of metaphor or irony or anything. He’s got a picture of the city, like one pictures with drawn in acupuncture needle and it says: excess [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang yang]. Over here, we have deficient [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang yin].<br /> <br /> J: Yeah, the excess yang is on the golf course.<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Right.<br /> <br /> R: I’m just… I’m also surprised from the artistic point of view that he doesn’t have a solid vision, on his website he’s asking people: well, what do you think, should we have different needles for different areas, or should it all be the same? It’s like, you came into this, you got funding for this project, shouldn’t you have your whole idea laid out? It seems very scatter-shod like, whoa let’s just do this crazy thing and get the attention and go on our marry way.<br /> <br /> E: Well here’s another problem with this project. It’s called the South Waterfront Project, and this is part of a monthly art series that they do, they invite guest artists to… to present something, to help bring awareness to part of the city, of course, that need attention and in which they want to rebuild the economic development of these parts of the city. You know, amongst… it’s privately funded, partially, but it’s also partially publicly funded by the Portland Development Commission, the Potland Parks and Recreation department. So, you know, there are some tax money going into this. And, you know, I’m… Boy, I could think of a lot better ways to spend tax money than sticking needles in the ground for the sake of art and promoting acupuncture.<br /> <br /> R: And really, does the Pacific Northwest need to look any crazier?<br /> <br /> J: You know, if this was… if this was really just an artistic stunt, I would actually think it’s funny in a way, you know, or whatever. Sure, it would bring attention and stuff, or almost even if he was making fun of acupuncture at the same time. But if he is in support of acupuncture in any way, then of course, I and, I’m assuming, the rest of you, we have to be against it. Because, there's gonna be people walking around and maybe they're gonna start buying into this crap (in a funny voice): Oh, the planet needs, you know, acupuncture and chiropractic.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah (laugh). Yeah, I mean, it certainly seems to take a very positive, again, very promotional view of acupuncture. In this guy’s mind, this may all just be an art project, and he might not think that he’s actually treating energy flow in the city. But it’s still, and you guys are right, the negative aspect of all this is that, at the end of the day it’s promoting acupuncture.<br /> <br /> J: (in a funny voice) But Steve! Portland needs our help!<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

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GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_10&diff=3182 2012-10-14T18:01:08Z

<p>GLG: Created page</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 10 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Spielberg to Create Online Paranormal Community <br /> |episodeDate = 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-03-09.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=10<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,9116.msg198150.html#msg198150<br /> |}}<br /> ==Spielberg to Create Online Paranormal Community== &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: this is the SGU 5x5, and tonight’s topic is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Spielberg Steven Spielberg] back in the paranormal news. According to [http://techcrunch.com/ techcrunch dot com] Stephen Spielberg is planning a new online social network dedicated to ghosts and UFOs.<br /> <br /> R: It’s gonna be called Myspace between Myears.<br /> <br /> B: (laughter)<br /> <br /> E: I heard it was gonna be Myghost.<br /> <br /> R: Thank you, I’ll be here all week!<br /> <br /> S: Myghost dot com...?<br /> <br /> J: So the point of this is that, people can just post videos, and stories, and blogs about paranormal experience?<br /> <br /> R: Yeah, I mean, but the crazy thing is though, you know, we already have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myspace Myspace], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendster Friendster], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook Facebook], and they are all overrun with paranormal groups. Go to Myspace search in the groups for paranormal, you’ll get, like 900 different groups on the paranormal. This is doomed to be completely useless.<br /> <br /> E: But there’s a the-, there is a prevailing unofficial theory out there that, he’s perhaps using this as some sort of launch for future project, something to go viral, some place to collect a lot of people an upcoming project or movie, television series, whatever it might be.<br /> <br /> J: Well, I though about this too Ev. But, you know, so what? The end result of this is, there’s still more propagation of this crap. You know?<br /> <br /> E: Oh yeah.<br /> <br /> S: It’s just another location to spread anecdotes, you know, about personal alleged paranormal experiences. And the only reason why this might have any legs is because the name Steven Spielberg is attached to it.<br /> <br /> B: Right.<br /> <br /> S: If there’s eh, you know, I think if this were just another network it would probably, probably wouldn’t do anything. And Steven Spielberg does have a long history of fascination with ghosts and… aliens.<br /> <br /> B: That’s true. I didn’t really think of that, until I saw the list of all his movies together. A lot of his movies. And then it really hit me. You got [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_Encounters_of_the_Third_Kind ''Close Encounters of the Third Kind''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poltergeist_%28film%29 ''Poltergeist''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial ''E.T.''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casper_%28film%29 ''Casper''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black_%28film%29 ''Men in Black''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Haunting_%281999_film%29 ''The Haunting''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Worlds_%282005_film%29 ''War of the Worlds'']. I... I guess he had various levels of involvement in, in these, all these different movies besides just being a director for the earlier ones. But it really hit home that yeah, he really does have a real fascination with this stuff. And then he’s got [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_%28film%29#Films ''Interstellar''], a movie coming out in 2009. Does anyone know what this is about?<br /> <br /> J: Yes. About… about these interstellar people.<br /> <br /> B: Ah-ha!<br /> <br /> R: It’s good!<br /> <br /> E: Something about, something happening between the stars, I don’t know.<br /> <br /> J: (laughter)<br /> <br /> R: ''Interstellar'' is about a physicist and his theories of gravity fields, wormholes, and several hypotheses that Albert Einstein was never able to prove.<br /> <br /> S: And in addition to his movies, I mean this is where Spielberg mixes fact and fiction, he also produced [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taken_%28TV_miniseries%29 ''Taken''] for the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syfy Science Fiction Channel].<br /> <br /> B: Yeah<br /> <br /> S: Remember that?<br /> <br /> (everyone agreeing)<br /> <br /> S: Which was an overview of the… claims of UFO believers, including alien abductions, and crashed saucers, and big time on the UFO, big government conspiracy cover-up. And this was, I guess, pseudo-documentary. And it was interesting that it aired on the Science Fiction Channel. You might argue that that’s where it belongs. But it definitely was presented not as pure fiction, but as based upon something actually happening.<br /> <br /> E: Yeah. There’s also a widely reported story that Spielberg in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson,_Texas Jefferson, Texas], some 20 years ago roughly, has stayed in a haunted hotel, and witnessed a ghost and was so frighted by it that he took him, and his whole staff, and his crew, and they left the hotel that night, as they were so afraid of what happened.<br /> <br /> B: Isn’t that funny. Because that what we would... we always say when we watch those movies and how the people react unrealistically, you say to yourself: well, just move out of this hole and, and get away. And that’s exactly what he did.<br /> <br /> R: (chuckle)<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, if the walls really were ''bleeding'' then… most people I think wouldn’t stick around to see what else happened.<br /> <br /> J: So let me ask you guys, does this knock down Spielberg a peg? In your opinion overall?<br /> <br /> R: A peg or two.<br /> <br /> E: I think it reinforces what I’ve, what I’ve kind of always thought of Steven Spielberg, like Steve said about the ''Taken'', and really ever since that came out, I think it just reinforces the fact that, you know, this part of him is … you know, not all there.<br /> <br /> R: Yeah, I mean well, he’s a creative-<br /> <br /> S: I love his movies!<br /> <br /> R: he’s a creative person who’s used that to good extent thus far but… trying to make the leap online, I mean, if he even... if he does actually follow through on it I’m pretty sure that it’s doomed for failure. Because what you’re gonnna get is a bunch of, well, you know, people that you might found on Myspace only worse. Talking about: oh I saw a ghost the other way; no seriously dude, I totally did. You know, nobody is gonna tune into that, sorry. Go back to making movies.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, I mean, Spielberg appears to be just another true believer who’s insufficiently skeptical. Unfortunately this true believer happens to have millions of dollars and he knows how to use a camera. <br /> <br /> E: You know, he’s done some pretty good jobs with other, like world war two movies, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saving_Private_Ryan ''Saving Private Ryan''], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shindler%27s_List ''Shindler’s List''], and of course [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941_%28film%29 ''1941''].<br /> <br /> B: (laughter)<br /> <br /> J: You know, once again, I… I hate to know details like this about people that I like or admire in the movies or whatever, because-<br /> <br /> E: He’s friends with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cruise Tom Cruise], Jay.<br /> <br /> J: Is he really?<br /> <br /> S: Is that right?<br /> <br /> E: Oh yeah, they’ve… he’s acted in few of his movies: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_%28film%29 ''Minority Report''], ''War of the Worlds''.<br /> <br /> S: Sometimes it’s just better to separate the art from the artist.<br /> <br /> E: Hmm.<br /> <br /> R: Agreed!<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

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GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_9&diff=3161 2012-10-14T16:00:03Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 9 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11 <br /> |episodeDate = 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |guest1 = ML: Mike Lacelle<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-03-02.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=9<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8980.msg194205.html#msg194205<br /> |}}<br /> ==Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11== &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, Mike Lacelle is sitting in for Jay Novella tonight. Tonight’s issue is actress [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Cotillard Marion Cotillard], who has recently won the Oscar for best actress, for her portrayal of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89dith_Piaf Édith Piaf] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Vie_en_rose_%28film%29 La Vie en rose], stunned Hollywood by saying something stupid.<br /> <br /> R: Oh my god!<br /> <br /> S: (laughter) This has never happened before. We were shocked!<br /> <br /> R: Never! Not since [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Nelson Willie Nelson].<br /> <br /> S: She has essentially endorsed 9-11 conspiracy theories by calling into question the collapse of the world trade centre. She said, and I quote, &quot;We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes, are they burned? There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burned for 24 hours. It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there, in New York, in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed.&quot; Well, there you go!<br /> <br /> E: How can you argue with that?<br /> <br /> S: That’s right.<br /> <br /> R: It’s brilliant. Clearly she’s an expert on the case. Case dismissed. Ahmm…<br /> <br /> E: She went, she went to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_O%27Donnell Rosie O'Donnell] school of engineering, all about buildings.<br /> <br /> R: Okay, there’s so many problems with what she said. I’d say there’s at least like one factually incorrect thing in every sentence. First of all, we see other towers the same kind being hit by flames? Where? go on name one. Anyone?<br /> <br /> S: Of the same kind is the key there. I mean with the same kind of construction as the towers? I don’t think so.<br /> <br /> R: Right. Now, she brings up the tower in Spain, which she’s referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower_%28Madrid%29 Windsor building], which was a building that was on fire back in 2005. Completely different building, like not at all like the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center World Trade Center]. It was 32 floors compared to a hundred and some. It was steel reinforced concrete, as opposed to being steel frame. And the steel inside the Windsor building did suffer a complete structural collapse. The only thing that was left was the concrete. She’s an actress though, I mean ... why are we putting stock in what she says? It’s kind of depressing. I’m certainly not saying that ''we’re'' putting stock in it, but it depressed me that this is like, big news. Just shut up and act!<br /> <br /> B: It gets worse though. She says that the buildings were &quot;a money-sucker because they were finished, it seems to me, by 1973, and to re-cable all that, to bring it up-to-date all the technology and everything, it was a lot more expensive, that work, than destroying it.&quot; So that’s kind of her take on it, that it was old and outmoded and it would have been expensive to update it, so we just concocted this whole thing. Well, I think that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloseum Colloseum] in Rome needs re-cabling as well...<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> B: let’s just fly the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_shuttle Space shuttle] in it, and be done with it.<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, I don’t think we, we don’t keep buildings for more than 30 years, I mean, come on!<br /> <br /> B: Aghh, God!<br /> <br /> R: And I’m picturing like that guy from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29 Monopoly] with the money bags, like that’s what I’m picturing running away from the World Trade Center: ha-ha-ha suckers! Money everywhere!<br /> <br /> S: Now, to put things into a little bit of perspective, she also called into the question the moon landings.<br /> <br /> B: Ah-ha<br /> <br /> S: She doesn’t think that America actually landed on the moon.<br /> <br /> ML: Her attorney actually recently made a statement saying that her remarks were taken out of context. I watched the interview and, where she makes the comments, and just before she start talking about, about 9-11 she says, well she says: &quot;''J'ai tendance à être plutôt souvent de l'avis de la théorie du complot''&quot; which is her admitting that she has a tendency to accept conspiracy theories. So you know, it’s pretty hard to take a statement like that out of context.<br /> <br /> S: So she placed it into context for us. Thank you!<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> R: Yeah. Unless she said everything I’m about to say is a complete and utter stupid lie, there’s really no taking it out of context.<br /> <br /> S: Right, right. Now I was interested in the… in this because my memory was that one of the first 9-11 conspiracy books was actually written by a French author, and that was the book [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11:_The_Big_Lie ''Horrifying Fraud''] by... that book was by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Meyssan Thierry Meyssan]. And that was like right in 2002, that was very soon after 9-11. My recollection is that was when… that was the first I heard of the whole 9-11 conspiracy thing. So it really, the 9-11 conspiracy theorist got their start in France. I also found that there was a French politician who was currently a minister in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Sarkozy President Sarkozy's] government and that is the French Housing Minister [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Boutin Christine Boutin] also said very similar comments about 9-11 and interestingly also called into question the moon landings. Using almost the exact same terms as the actress. So there’s seems to be, maybe they’re reading the same websites.<br /> <br /> E: So what do we have here Steve? Do we have like these people’s brain are hardwired a certain way to just fall in and believe these conspiracy theories whole sale?<br /> <br /> S: One can only speculate. We do see people who believe in one conspiracy tending to believe in many conspiracies. There definitely is a mindset at work here.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_9&diff=3160 2012-10-14T15:58:14Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 9 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11 <br /> |episodeDate = 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |guest1 = ML: Mike Lacelle<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-03-02.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=9<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8980.msg194205.html#msg194205<br /> |}}<br /> ==Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11== &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, Mike Lacelle is sitting in for Jay Novella tonight. Tonight’s issue is actress [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Cotillard Marion Cotillard], who has recently won the Oscar for best actress, for her portrayal of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89dith_Piaf Édith Piaf] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Vie_en_rose_%28film%29 La Vie en rose], stunned Hollywood by saying something stupid.<br /> <br /> R: Oh my god!<br /> <br /> S: (laughter) This has never happened before. We were shocked!<br /> <br /> R: Never! Not since [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Nelson Willie Nelson].<br /> <br /> S: She has essentially endorsed 9-11 conspiracy theories by calling into question the collapse of the world trade centre. She said, and I quote, &quot;We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes, are they burned? There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burned for 24 hours. It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there, in New York, in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed.&quot; Well, there you go!<br /> <br /> E: How can you argue with that?<br /> <br /> S: That’s right.<br /> <br /> R: It’s brilliant. Clearly she’s an expert on the case. Case dismissed. Ahmm…<br /> <br /> E: She went, she went to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_O%27Donnell Rosie O'Donnell] school of engineering, all about buildings.<br /> <br /> R: Okay, there’s so many problems with what she said. I’d say there’s at least like one factually incorrect thing in every sentence. First of all, we see other towers the same kind being hit by flames? Where? go on name one. Anyone?<br /> <br /> S: Of the same kind is the key there. I mean with the same kind of construction as the towers? I don’t think so.<br /> <br /> R: Right. Now, she brings up the tower in Spain, which she’s referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower_%28Madrid%29 Windsor building], which was a building that was on fire back in 2005. Completely different building, like not at all like the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center World Trade Center]. It was 32 floors compared to a hundred and some. It was steel reinforced concrete, as opposed to being steel frame. And the steel inside the Windsor building did suffer a complete structural collapse. The only thing that was left was the concrete. She’s an actress though, I mean ... why are we putting stock in what she says? It’s kind of depressing. I’m certainly not saying that ''we’re'' putting stock in it, but it depressed me that this is like, big news. Just shut up and act!<br /> <br /> B: It gets worse though. She says that the buildings were &quot;a money-sucker because they were finished, it seems to me, by 1973, and to re-cable all that, to bring it up-to-date all the technology and everything, it was a lot more expensive, that work, than destroying it.&quot; So that’s kind of her take on it, that it was old and outmoded and it would have been expensive to update it, so we just concocted this whole thing. Well, I think that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloseum Colloseum] in Rome needs re-cabling as well...<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> B: let’s just fly the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_shuttle Space shuttle] in it, and be done with it.<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, I don’t think we, we don’t keep buildings for more than 30 years, I mean, come on!<br /> <br /> B: Aghh, God!<br /> <br /> R: And I’m picturing like that guy from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29 Monopoly] with the money bags, like that’s what I’m picturing running away from the World Trade Center: ha-ha-ha suckers! Money everywhere!<br /> <br /> S: Now, to put things into a little bit of perspective, she also called into the question the moon landings.<br /> <br /> B: Ah-ha<br /> <br /> S: She doesn’t think that America actually landed on the moon.<br /> <br /> ML: Her attorney actually recently made a statement saying that her remarks were taken out of context. I watched the interview and, where she makes the comments, and just before she start talking about, about 9-11 she says, well she says: &quot;''J'ai tendance à être plutôt souvent de l'avis de la théorie du complot''&quot; which is her admitting that she has a tendency to accept conspiracy theories. So you know, it’s pretty hard to take a statement like that out of context.<br /> <br /> S: So she placed it into context for us. Thank you!<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> R: Yeah. Unless she said everything I’m about to say is a complete and utter stupid lie, there’s really no taking it out of context.<br /> <br /> S: Right, right. Now I was interested in the… in this because my memory was that one of the first 9-11 conspiracy books was actually written by a French author, and that was the book [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11:_The_Big_Lie ''Horrifying Fraud''] by... that book was by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Meyssan Thierry Meyssan]. And that was like right in 2002, that was very soon after 9-11. My recollection is that was when… that was the first I heard of the whole 9-11 conspiracy thing. So it really, the 9-11 conspiracy theorist got their start in France. I also found that there was a French politician who was currently a minister in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Sarkozy President Sarkozy's] government and that is the French Housing Minister [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Boutin Christine Boutin] also said very similar comments about 0-11 and interestingly also called into question the moon landings. Using almost the exact same terms as the actress. So there’s seems to be, maybe they’re reading the same websites.<br /> <br /> E: So what we have here Steve? Do we have like these people’s brain are hardwired a certain way to just fall in and believe these conspiracy theories whole sale?<br /> <br /> S: One can only speculate. We do see people who believe in one conspiracy tending to believe in many conspiracies. There definitely is a mindset at work here.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_9&diff=3159 2012-10-14T15:54:36Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 9 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11 <br /> |episodeDate = 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |guest1 = ML: Mike Lacelle<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-03-02.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=9<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8980.msg194205.html#msg194205<br /> |}}<br /> ==Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11== &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, Mike Lacelle is sitting in for Jay Novella tonight. Tonight’s issue is actress [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Cotillard Marion Cotillard], who has recently won the Oscar for best actress, for her portrayal of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89dith_Piaf Édith Piaf] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Vie_en_rose_%28film%29 La Vie en rose], stunned Hollywood by saying something stupid.<br /> <br /> R: Oh my god!<br /> <br /> S: (laughter) This has never happened before. We were shocked!<br /> <br /> R: Never! Not since [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Nelson Willie Nelson].<br /> <br /> S: She has essentially endorsed 9-11 conspiracy theories by calling into question the collapse of the world trade centre. She said, and I quote, &quot;We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes, are they burned? There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burned for 24 hours. It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there, in New York, in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed.&quot; Well, there you go!<br /> <br /> E: How can you argue with that?<br /> <br /> S: That’s right.<br /> <br /> R: It’s brilliant. Clearly she’s an expert on the case. Case dismissed. Ahmm…<br /> <br /> E: She went, she went to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_O%27Donnell Rosie O'Donnell] school of engineering, all about buildings.<br /> <br /> R: Okay, there’s so many problems with what she said. I’d say there’s at least like one factually incorrect thing in every sentence. First of all, we see other towers the same kind being hit by flames? Where? go on name one. Anyone?<br /> <br /> S: Of the same kind is the key there. I mean with the same kind of construction as the towers? I don’t think so.<br /> <br /> R: Right. Now, she brings up the tower in Spain, which she’s referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower_%28Madrid%29 Windsor building], which was a building that was on fire back in 2005. Completely different building, like not at all like the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center World Trade Center]. It was 32 floors compared to a hundred and some. It was steel reinforced concrete, as opposed to being steel frame. And the steel inside the Windsor building did suffer a complete structural collapse. The only thing that was left was the concrete. She’s an actress though, I mean ... why are we putting stock in what she says? It’s kind of depressing. I’m certainly not saying that ''we’re'' putting stock in it, but it depressed me that this is like, big news. Just shut up and act!<br /> <br /> B: It gets worse though. She says that the buildings were &quot;a money-sucker because they were finished, it seems to me, by 1973, and to re-cable all that, to bring it up-to-date all the technology and everything, it was a lot more expensive, that work, than destroying it.&quot; So that’s kind of her take on it, that it was old and outmoded and it would have been expensive to update it, so we just concocted this whole thing. Well, I think that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloseum Colloseum] in Rome needs re-cabling as well...<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> B: let’s just fly the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_shuttle Space shuttle] in it, and be done with it.<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, I don’t think we, we don’t keep buildings for more than 30 years, I mean, come on!<br /> <br /> B: Aghh, God!<br /> <br /> R: And I’m picturing like that guy from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29 Monopoly] with the money bags, like that’s what I’m picturing running away from the World Trade Center: ha-ha-ha suckers! Money everywhere!<br /> <br /> S: Now, to put things into a little bit of perspective, she also called into the question the moon landings.<br /> <br /> B: Ah-ha<br /> <br /> S: She doesn’t think that American actually landed on the moon.<br /> <br /> ML: Her attorney actually recently made a statement saying that her remarks were taken out of contest. I watched the interview and, where she makes the comments, and just before she start talking about, about 9-11 she says, well she says: &quot;''J'ai tendance à être plutôt souvent de l'avis de la théorie du complot''&quot; which is her admitting that she has a tendency to accept conspiracy theories. So you know, it’s pretty hard to take a statement like that out of contest.<br /> <br /> S: So she placed it into context for us. Thank you!<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> R: Yeah. Unless she said everything I’m about to say is a complete and utter stupid lie, there’s really no taking it out of context.<br /> <br /> S: Right, right. Now I was interested in the… in this because my memory was that one of the first 9-11 conspiracy books was actually written by a French author, and that was the book [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11:_The_Big_Lie ''Horrifying Fraud''] by... that book was by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Meyssan Thierry Meyssan]. And that was like right in 2002, that was very soon after 9-11. My recollection is that was when… that was the first I heard of the whole 9-11 conspiracy thing. So it really, the 9-11 conspiracy theorist got their start in France. I also found that there was a French politician who was currently a minister in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Sarkozy President Sarkozy's] government and that is the French Housing Minister [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Boutin Christine Boutin] also said very similar comments about 0-11 and interestingly also called into question the moon landings. Using almost the exact same terms as the actress. So there’s seems to be, maybe they’re reading the same websites.<br /> <br /> E: So what we have here Steve? Do we have like these people’s brain are hardwired a certain way to just fall in and believe these conspiracy theories whole sale?<br /> <br /> S: One can only speculate. We do see people who believe in one conspiracy tending to believe in many conspiracies. There definitely is a mindset at work here.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_9&diff=3158 2012-10-14T15:54:01Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 9 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11 <br /> |episodeDate = 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |guest1 = ML: Mike Lacelle<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-03-02.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=9<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8980.msg194205.html#msg194205<br /> |}}<br /> ==Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11== &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, Mike Lacelle is sitting in for Jay Novella tonight. Tonight’s issue is actress [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Cotillard Marion Cotillard], who has recently won the Oscar for best actress, for her portrayal of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89dith_Piaf Édith Piaf] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Vie_en_rose_%28film%29 La Vie en rose], stunned Hollywood by saying something stupid.<br /> <br /> R: Oh my god!<br /> <br /> S: (laughter) This has never happened before. We were shocked!<br /> <br /> R: Never! Not since [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Nelson Willie Nelson].<br /> <br /> S: She has essentially endorsed 9-11 conspiracy theories by calling into question the collapse of the world trade centre. She said, and I quote, &quot;We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes, are they burned? There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burned for 24 hours. It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there, in New York, in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed.&quot; Well, there you go!<br /> <br /> E: How can you argue with that?<br /> <br /> S: That’s right.<br /> <br /> R: It’s brilliant. Clearly she’s an expert on the case. Case dismissed. Ahmm…<br /> <br /> E: She went, she went to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_O%27Donnell Rosie O%27Donnell] school of engineering, all about buildings.<br /> <br /> R: Okay, there’s so many problems with what she said. I’d say there’s at least like one factually incorrect thing in every sentence. First of all, we see other towers the same kind being hit by flames? Where? go on name one. Anyone?<br /> <br /> S: Of the same kind is the key there. I mean with the same kind of construction as the towers? I don’t think so.<br /> <br /> R: Right. Now, she brings up the tower in Spain, which she’s referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower_%28Madrid%29 Windsor building], which was a building that was on fire back in 2005. Completely different building, like not at all like the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center World Trade Center]. It was 32 floors compared to a hundred and some. It was steel reinforced concrete, as opposed to being steel frame. And the steel inside the Windsor building did suffer a complete structural collapse. The only thing that was left was the concrete. She’s an actress though, I mean ... why are we putting stock in what she says? It’s kind of depressing. I’m certainly not saying that ''we’re'' putting stock in it, but it depressed me that this is like, big news. Just shut up and act!<br /> <br /> B: It gets worse though. She says that the buildings were &quot;a money-sucker because they were finished, it seems to me, by 1973, and to re-cable all that, to bring it up-to-date all the technology and everything, it was a lot more expensive, that work, than destroying it.&quot; So that’s kind of her take on it, that it was old and outmoded and it would have been expensive to update it, so we just concocted this whole thing. Well, I think that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloseum Colloseum] in Rome needs re-cabling as well...<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> B: let’s just fly the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_shuttle Space shuttle] in it, and be done with it.<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, I don’t think we, we don’t keep buildings for more than 30 years, I mean, come on!<br /> <br /> B: Aghh, God!<br /> <br /> R: And I’m picturing like that guy from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29 Monopoly] with the money bags, like that’s what I’m picturing running away from the World Trade Center: ha-ha-ha suckers! Money everywhere!<br /> <br /> S: Now, to put things into a little bit of perspective, she also called into the question the moon landings.<br /> <br /> B: Ah-ha<br /> <br /> S: She doesn’t think that American actually landed on the moon.<br /> <br /> ML: Her attorney actually recently made a statement saying that her remarks were taken out of contest. I watched the interview and, where she makes the comments, and just before she start talking about, about 9-11 she says, well she says: &quot;''J'ai tendance à être plutôt souvent de l'avis de la théorie du complot''&quot; which is her admitting that she has a tendency to accept conspiracy theories. So you know, it’s pretty hard to take a statement like that out of contest.<br /> <br /> S: So she placed it into context for us. Thank you!<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> R: Yeah. Unless she said everything I’m about to say is a complete and utter stupid lie, there’s really no taking it out of context.<br /> <br /> S: Right, right. Now I was interested in the… in this because my memory was that one of the first 9-11 conspiracy books was actually written by a French author, and that was the book [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11:_The_Big_Lie ''Horrifying Fraud''] by... that book was by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Meyssan Thierry Meyssan]. And that was like right in 2002, that was very soon after 9-11. My recollection is that was when… that was the first I heard of the whole 9-11 conspiracy thing. So it really, the 9-11 conspiracy theorist got their start in France. I also found that there was a French politician who was currently a minister in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Sarkozy President Sarkozy's] government and that is the French Housing Minister [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Boutin Christine Boutin] also said very similar comments about 0-11 and interestingly also called into question the moon landings. Using almost the exact same terms as the actress. So there’s seems to be, maybe they’re reading the same websites.<br /> <br /> E: So what we have here Steve? Do we have like these people’s brain are hardwired a certain way to just fall in and believe these conspiracy theories whole sale?<br /> <br /> S: One can only speculate. We do see people who believe in one conspiracy tending to believe in many conspiracies. There definitely is a mindset at work here.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

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<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 9 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11 <br /> |episodeDate = 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |guest1 = ML: Mike Lacelle<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-03-02.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=9<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8980.msg194205.html#msg194205<br /> |}}<br /> ==Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11== &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, Mike Lacelle is sitting in for Jay Novella tonight. Tonight’s issue is actress [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Cotillard Marion Cotillard], who has recently won the Oscar for best actress, for her portrayal of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89dith_Piaf %C3%89dith Piaf] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Vie_en_rose_%28film%29 La Vie en rose], stunned Hollywood by saying something stupid.<br /> <br /> R: Oh my god!<br /> <br /> S: (laughter) This has never happened before. We were shocked!<br /> <br /> R: Never! Not since [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Nelson Willie Nelson].<br /> <br /> S: She has essentially endorsed 9-11 conspiracy theories by calling into question the collapse of the world trade centre. She said, and I quote, &quot;We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes, are they burned? There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burned for 24 hours. It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there, in New York, in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed.&quot; Well, there you go!<br /> <br /> E: How can you argue with that?<br /> <br /> S: That’s right.<br /> <br /> R: It’s brilliant. Clearly she’s an expert on the case. Case dismissed. Ahmm…<br /> <br /> E: She went, she went to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_O%27Donnell Rosie O%27Donnell] school of engineering, all about buildings.<br /> <br /> R: Okay, there’s so many problems with what she said. I’d say there’s at least like one factually incorrect thing in every sentence. First of all, we see other towers the same kind being hit by flames? Where? go on name one. Anyone?<br /> <br /> S: Of the same kind is the key there. I mean with the same kind of construction as the towers? I don’t think so.<br /> <br /> R: Right. Now, she brings up the tower in Spain, which she’s referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower_%28Madrid%29 Windsor building], which was a building that was on fire back in 2005. Completely different building, like not at all like the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center World Trade Center]. It was 32 floors compared to a hundred and some. It was steel reinforced concrete, as opposed to being steel frame. And the steel inside the Windsor building did suffer a complete structural collapse. The only thing that was left was the concrete. She’s an actress though, I mean ... why are we putting stock in what she says? It’s kind of depressing. I’m certainly not saying that ''we’re'' putting stock in it, but it depressed me that this is like, big news. Just shut up and act!<br /> <br /> B: It gets worse though. She says that the buildings were &quot;a money-sucker because they were finished, it seems to me, by 1973, and to re-cable all that, to bring it up-to-date all the technology and everything, it was a lot more expensive, that work, than destroying it.&quot; So that’s kind of her take on it, that it was old and outmoded and it would have been expensive to update it, so we just concocted this whole thing. Well, I think that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloseum Colloseum] in Rome needs re-cabling as well...<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> B: let’s just fly the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_shuttle Space shuttle] in it, and be done with it.<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, I don’t think we, we don’t keep buildings for more than 30 years, I mean, come on!<br /> <br /> B: Aghh, God!<br /> <br /> R: And I’m picturing like that guy from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29 Monopoly] with the money bags, like that’s what I’m picturing running away from the World Trade Center: ha-ha-ha suckers! Money everywhere!<br /> <br /> S: Now, to put things into a little bit of perspective, she also called into the question the moon landings.<br /> <br /> B: Ah-ha<br /> <br /> S: She doesn’t think that American actually landed on the moon.<br /> <br /> ML: Her attorney actually recently made a statement saying that her remarks were taken out of contest. I watched the interview and, where she makes the comments, and just before she start talking about, about 9-11 she says, well she says: &quot;''J'ai tendance à être plutôt souvent de l'avis de la théorie du complot''&quot; which is her admitting that she has a tendency to accept conspiracy theories. So you know, it’s pretty hard to take a statement like that out of contest.<br /> <br /> S: So she placed it into context for us. Thank you!<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> R: Yeah. Unless she said everything I’m about to say is a complete and utter stupid lie, there’s really no taking it out of context.<br /> <br /> S: Right, right. Now I was interested in the… in this because my memory was that one of the first 9-11 conspiracy books was actually written by a French author, and that was the book [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11:_The_Big_Lie ''Horrifying Fraud''] by... that book was by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Meyssan Thierry Meyssan]. And that was like right in 2002, that was very soon after 9-11. My recollection is that was when… that was the first I heard of the whole 9-11 conspiracy thing. So it really, the 9-11 conspiracy theorist got their start in France. I also found that there was a French politician who was currently a minister in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Sarkozy President Sarkozy's] government and that is the French Housing Minister [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Boutin Christine Boutin] also said very similar comments about 0-11 and interestingly also called into question the moon landings. Using almost the exact same terms as the actress. So there’s seems to be, maybe they’re reading the same websites.<br /> <br /> E: So what we have here Steve? Do we have like these people’s brain are hardwired a certain way to just fall in and believe these conspiracy theories whole sale?<br /> <br /> S: One can only speculate. We do see people who believe in one conspiracy tending to believe in many conspiracies. There definitely is a mindset at work here.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

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<p>GLG: Created page</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 9 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11 <br /> |episodeDate = 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |guest1 = ML: Mike Lacelle<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-03-02.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=9<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8980.msg194205.html#msg194205<br /> |}}<br /> ==Emmy Winning Actress and 9-11== &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, Mike Lacelle is seating in for Jay Novella tonight. Tonight’s issue is actress [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Cotillard Marion Cotillard], who has recently won the Oscar for best actress, for her portrayal of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89dith_Piaf %C3%89dith Piaf] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Vie_en_rose_%28film%29 La Vie en rose], stunned Hollywood by saying something stupid.<br /> <br /> R: Oh my god!<br /> <br /> S: (laughter) This has never happened before. We were shocked!<br /> <br /> R: Never! Not since [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Nelson Willie Nelson].<br /> <br /> S: She has essentially endorsed 9-11 conspiracy theories by calling into question the collapse of the world trade centre. She said, and I quote, &quot;We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes, are they burned? There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burned for 24 hours. It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there, in New York, in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed.&quot; Well, there you go!<br /> <br /> E: How can you argue with that?<br /> <br /> S: That’s right.<br /> <br /> R: It’s brilliant. Clearly she’s an expert on the case. Case dismissed. Ahmm…<br /> <br /> E: She went, she went to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_O%27Donnell Rosie O%27Donnell] school of engineering, all about buildings.<br /> <br /> R: Okay, there’s so many problems with what she said. I’d say there’s at least like one factually incorrect thing in every sentence. First of all, we see other towers the same kind being hit by flames? Where? go on name one. Anyone?<br /> <br /> S: Of the same kind is the key there. I mean with the same kind of construction as the towers? I don’t think so.<br /> <br /> R: Right. Now, she brings up the tower in Spain, which she’s referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower_%28Madrid%29 Windsor building], which was a building that was on fire back in 2005. Completely different building, like not at all like the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center World Trade Center]. It was 32 floors compared to a hundred and some. It was steel reinforced concrete, as opposed to being steel frame. And the steel inside the Windsor building did suffer a complete structural collapse. The only thing that was left was the concrete. She’s an actress though, I mean ... why are we putting stock in what she says? It’s kind of depressing. I’m certainly not saying that ''we’re'' putting stock in it, but it depressed me that this is like, big news. Just shut up and act!<br /> <br /> B: It gets worse though. She says that the buildings were &quot;a money-sucker because they were finished, it seems to me, by 1973, and to re-cable all that, to bring it up-to-date all the technology and everything, it was a lot more expensive, that work, than destroying it.&quot; So that’s kind of her take on it, that it was old and outmoded and it would have been expensive to update it, so we just concocted this whole thing. Well, I think that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloseum Colloseum] in Rome needs re-cabling as well...<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> B: let’s just fly the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_shuttle Space shuttle] in it, and be done with it.<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, I don’t think we, we don’t keep buildings for more than 30 years, I mean, come on!<br /> <br /> B: Aghh, God!<br /> <br /> R: And I’m picturing like that guy from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29 Monopoly] with the money bags, like that’s what I’m picturing running away from the World Trade Center: ha-ha-ha suckers! Money everywhere!<br /> <br /> S: Now, to put things into a little bit of perspective, she also called into the question the moon landings.<br /> <br /> B: Ah-ha<br /> <br /> S: She doesn’t think that American actually landed on the moon.<br /> <br /> ML: Her attorney actually recently made a statement saying that her remarks were taken out of contest. I watched the interview and, where she makes the comments, and just before she start talking about, about 9-11 she says, well she says: &quot;''J'ai tendance à être plutôt souvent de l'avis de la théorie du complot''&quot; which is her admitting that she has a tendency to accept conspiracy theories. So you know, it’s pretty hard to take a statement like that out of contest.<br /> <br /> S: So she placed it into context for us. Thank you!<br /> <br /> (laughter)<br /> <br /> R: Yeah. Unless she said everything I’m about to say is a complete and utter stupid lie, there’s really no taking it out of context.<br /> <br /> S: Right, right. Now I was interested in the… in this because my memory was that one of the first 9-11 conspiracy books was actually written by a French author, and that was the book [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11:_The_Big_Lie ''Horrifying Fraud''] by... that book was by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Meyssan Thierry Meyssan]. And that was like right in 2002, that was very soon after 9-11. My recollection is that was when… that was the first I heard of the whole 9-11 conspiracy thing. So it really, the 9-11 conspiracy theorist got their start in France. I also found that there was a French politician who was currently a minister in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Sarkozy President Sarkozy's] government and that is the French Housing Minister [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Boutin Christine Boutin] also said very similar comments about 0-11 and interestingly also called into question the moon landings. Using almost the exact same terms as the actress. So there’s seems to be, maybe they’re reading the same websites.<br /> <br /> E: So what we have here Steve? Do we have like these people’s brain are hardwired a certain way to just fall in and believe these conspiracy theories whole sale?<br /> <br /> S: One can only speculate. We do see people who believe in one conspiracy tending to believe in many conspiracies. There definitely is a mindset at work here.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

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<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 8 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Crytozoology - Hunting for the Thunderbird <br /> |episodeDate = 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |guest1 = ML: Mike Lacelle<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-25.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=8<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8801.msg189815.html#msg189815<br /> |}}<br /> == Crytozoology - Hunting for the Thunderbird == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, 5 minutes with 5 skeptics. This week, Mike Lacelle is seating in for Jay Novella. And this week’s topic is a close encounter with a quote unquote thunder bird. This is an article written this week by Stan Gordon from Paranormal News. Stan Gordon was writing about the, recent alleged sighting of a thunder bird in West Virginia. According to the witness he saw a bird with a wing span of over 20 feet.<br /> <br /> R: That’ a big bird.<br /> <br /> E: You’re a bird watcher Steve, correct?<br /> <br /> S: Yes, I am.<br /> <br /> E: And do you know, are you aware of any birds that have wing span of approximately 20 feet?<br /> <br /> S: Well, I’ll tell you Evan. The largest bird is the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andean_condor Andean Condor]. Largest flying bird I should say. And that has a wing span of just over about 10 feet. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_albatross Wandering Albatross] is also has a similar wing span of over 10 feet, maybe up to about 12 feet. The condors are a little bit heavier, the Wandering Albatross has a little bit bigger wing span. So those are the two largest flying birds and they’re about half the size of what the witness describes seeing. Also neither bird lives in the East Coast of the United States, in the West Virginia area, or in the Pennsylvania area where a lot of alleged sighting have been made. Occasionally birds are spotted well outside of their natural range. When that is the case they are called ''accidentals''. So it would not be impossible or even that unusual for a condor, for example, to be accidentally found in the East Coast of the United States.<br /> <br /> R: And let’s remember that we’re hearing that report second, well, third hand. It’s ahh, Stan, this guy Stan Gordon he has his own UFO sighting website basically, so he’s really into this stuff. And he’s just reporting on this unnamed witness who may have seen something back in October of 2007. So when you have a story that’s been, you know, passed along through multiple people, it’s very easy to see how it might get exaggerated. So it’s not totally out of of ahh consideration that it could be going from 10 foot wingspan to a 20 foot wingspan.<br /> <br /> ML: Yeah, and that’s the problem with this type of claims, the cryptozoological claims, their main evidence is usually just ahhm, you know, like eyewitness account, and I think we all know how reliable those could be.<br /> <br /> S: Right.<br /> <br /> R: Right. And the article even says that the guy had a cell phone camera next to him and just didn’t think to use it.<br /> <br /> B: Agh jeez! Also, the classic problem with this cryptozoological creatures is the amount of specimen you would need for a viable community of these animals. You know, unless, unless you’re saying that this is the last one. How, you know, how does a community of birds with 20 foot wingspans just kind of escape notice, you know. It’ll be like, Bigfoot, it makes Bigfoot seems like, you know, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where%27s_Waldo where’s waldo].<br /> <br /> R: Yeah. It’s like Bigfoot living out on the prairie.<br /> <br /> E: Well, plus, plus how does this person really know this wingspan was 21 feet, you know<br /> <br /> S: Ah-hmm<br /> <br /> E: ...UFO sighting, they always get the distances and measurements wrong. Things that appear to be close up and, moving fast, are really, you know, very far away objects, so… who knows?<br /> <br /> S: Well, he did, he say that it was on the ground and that he used the road as a guide. So his wingspan was as wide as the road, which they later measured as 20 feet. But still either the story is exaggerated or that sighting was simply an error, for whatever reason. Because the angle of that was viewed at, or whatever. Certainly as Bob said, that's a much more likely explanation than there’s a hidden population of birds with 20 foot wingspans that is somehow escaping notice. I mean, it’s one thing, this does remind me a little bit of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory-billed_Woodpecker Ivory-billed Woodpecker] which was thought to be extinct for about 80 years, but then recently a couple of individuals thought that they might have seen one, and there’s in fact a video of this bird although... it’s probably just a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pileated_Woodpecker Pileated Woodpecker], the video, so far it has not been authenticated as an actual Ivory-billed Woodpecker. But here we’re talking about a, you know, a specimen that’s relatively small although, you know, it’s actually large for a woodpecker, it’s actually, you know, it’s a small bird, and living deep in the swamps. Yeah, okay, that could es- a swamp population of Ivory-billed Woodpeckers could escape notice. Not a population of 20 foot enormous birds. Okay, so we’ll file this one under another implausible claim of the cryptozoologists.<br /> <br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

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<p>GLG: Fixed links</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 8 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Crytozoology - Hunting for the Thunderbird <br /> |episodeDate = 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |guest1 = ML: Mike Lacelle<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-25.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=8<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8801.msg189815.html#msg189815<br /> |}}<br /> == Crytozoology - Hunting for the Thunderbird == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, 5 minutes with 5 skeptics. This week, Mike Lacelle is seating in for Jay Novella. And this week’s topic is a close encounter with a quote unquote thunder bird. This is an article written this week by Stan Gordon from Paranormal News. Stan Gordon was writing about the, recent alleged sighting of a thunder bird in West Virginia. According to the witness he saw a bird with a wing span of over 20 feet.<br /> <br /> R: That’ a big bird.<br /> <br /> E: You’re a bird watcher Steve, correct?<br /> <br /> S: Yes, I am<br /> <br /> E: And do you know, are you aware of any birds that have wing span of approximately 20 feet?<br /> <br /> S: Well, I’ll tell you Evan. The largest bird is the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andean_condor Andean Condor]. Largest flying bird I should say. And that has a wing span of just over about 10 feet. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_albatross Wandering Albatross] is also has a similar wing span of over 10 feet, maybe up to about 12 feet. The condors are a little bit heavier, the Wandering Albatross has a little bit bigger wing span. So those are the two largest flying birds and they’re about half the size of what the witness describes seeing. Also neither bird lives in the East Coast of the United States, in the West Virginia area, or in the Pennsylvania area where a lot of alleged sighting have been made. Occasionally birds are spotted well outside of their natural range. When that is the case they are called ''accidentals''. So it would not be impossible or even that unusual for a condor, for example, to be accidentally found in the East Coast of the United States.<br /> <br /> R: And let’s remember that we’re hearing that report second, well, third hand. It’s ahh, Stan, this guy Stan Gordon he has his own UFO siting website basically, so he’s really into this stuff. And he’s just reporting on this unnamed witness who may have seen something back in October of 2007. So when you have a story that’s been, you know, passed along through multiple people, it’s very easy to see how it might get exaggerated. So it’s not totally out of of ahh consideration that it could be going from 10 foot wingspan to a 20 foot wingspan.<br /> <br /> ML: Yeah, and that’s the problem with this type of claims, the cryptozoological claims, their main evidence is usually just ahhm, you know, like eyewitness account, and I think we all know how reliable those could be.<br /> <br /> S: Right.<br /> <br /> R: Right. And the article even says that the guy had a cell phone camera next to him and just didn’t think to use it.<br /> <br /> B: Agh jeez! Also, the classic problem with this cryptozoological creatures is the amount of specimen you would need for a viable community of these animals. You know, unless, unless you’re saying that this is the last one. How, you know, how does a community of birds with 20 foot wingspans just kind of escape notice, you know. It’ll be like, Bigfoot, it makes Bigfoot seems like, you know, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where%27s_Waldo where’s waldo].<br /> <br /> R: Yeah. It’s like Bigfoot living out on the prairie.<br /> <br /> E: Well, plus, plus how does this person really know this wingspan was 21 feet, you know<br /> <br /> S: Ah-hmm<br /> <br /> E: ...UFO sighting, they always get the distances and measurements wrong. Things that appear to be close up and, moving fast, are really, you know, very far away objects, so… who knows?<br /> <br /> S: Well, he did, he say that it was on the ground and that he used the road as a guide. So his wingspan was as wide as the road, which they later measured as 20 feet. But still either the story is exaggerated or that sighting was simply an error, for whatever reason. Because the angle of that was viewed at, or whatever. Certainly as Bob said, that's a much more likely explanation than there’s a hidden population of birds with 20 foot wingspans that is somehow escaping notice. I mean, it’s one thing, this does remind me a little bit of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory-billed_Woodpecker Ivory-billed Woodpecker] which was thought to be extinct for about 80 years, but then recently a couple of individuals thought that they might have seen one, and there’s in fact a video of this bird although... it’s probably just a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pileated_Woodpecker Pileated Woodpecker], the video, so far it has not been authenticated as an actual Ivory-billed Woodpecker. But here we’re talking about a, you know, a specimen that’s relatively small although, you know, it’s actually large for a woodpecker, it’s actually, you know, it’s a small bird, and living deep in the swamps. Yeah, okay, that could es- a swamp population of Ivory-billed Woodpeckers could escape notice. Not a population of 20 foot enormous birds. Okay, so we’ll file this one under another implausible claim of the cryptozoologists.<br /> <br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

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<p>GLG: Created page</p> <hr /> <div>{{5X5 editing required<br /> |proof-reading = y<br /> |categories = y<br /> |redirect = y &lt;!-- categorized redirect page with head-line type title --&gt;<br /> |}}{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 8 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Crytozoology - Hunting for the Thunderbird <br /> |episodeDate = 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |guest1 = ML: Mike Lacelle<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-25.mp3<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=8<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8801.msg189815.html#msg189815<br /> |}}<br /> == Crytozoology - Hunting for the Thunderbird == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, 5 minutes with 5 skeptics. This week, Mike Lacelle is seating in for Jay Novella. And this week’s topic is a close encounter with a quote unquote thunder bird. This is an article written this week by Stan Gordon from Paranormal News. Stan Gordon was writing about the, recent alleged sighting of a thunder bird in West Virginia. According to the witness he saw a bird with a wing span of over 20 feet.<br /> <br /> R: That’ a big bird.<br /> <br /> E: You’re a bird watcher Steve, correct?<br /> <br /> S: Yes, I am<br /> <br /> E: And do you know, are you aware of any birds that have wing span of approximately 20 feet?<br /> <br /> S: Well, I’ll tell you Evan. The largest bird is the [[Andean Condor]]. Largest flying bird I should say. And that has a wing span of just over about 10 feet. The [[Wandering Albatross]] is also has a similar wing span of over 10 feet, maybe up to about 12 feet. The condors are a little bit heavier, the Wandering Albatross has a little bit bigger wing span. So those are the two largest flying birds and they’re about half the size of what the witness describes seeing. Also neither bird lives in the East Coast of the United States, in the West Virginia area, or in the Pennsylvania area where a lot of alleged sighting have been made. Occasionally birds are spotted well outside of their natural range. When that is the case they are called ''accidentals''. So it would not be impossible or even that unusual for a condor, for example, to be accidentally found in the East Coast of the United States.<br /> <br /> R: And let’s remember that we’re hearing that report second, well, third hand. It’s ahh, Stan, this guy Stan Gordon he has his own UFO siting website basically, so he’s really into this stuff. And he’s just reporting on this unnamed witness who may have seen something back in October of 2007. So when you have a story that’s been, you know, passed along through multiple people, it’s very easy to see how it might get exaggerated. So it’s not totally out of of ahh consideration that it could be going from 10 foot wingspan to a 20 foot wingspan.<br /> <br /> ML: Yeah, and that’s the problem with this type of claims, the cryptozoological claims, their main evidence is usually just ahhm, you know, like eyewitness account, and I think we all know how reliable those could be.<br /> <br /> S: Right.<br /> <br /> R: Right. And the article even says that the guy had a cell phone camera next to him and just didn’t think to use it.<br /> <br /> B: Agh jeez! Also, the classic problem with this cryptozoological creatures is the amount of specimen you would need for a viable community of these animals. You know, unless, unless you’re saying that this is the last one. How, you know, how does a community of birds with 20 foot wingspans just kind of escape notice, you know. It’ll be like, Bigfoot, it makes Bigfoot seems like, you know, [[Where's Wally?|where’s waldo]].<br /> <br /> R: Yeah. It’s like Bigfoot living out on the prairie.<br /> <br /> E: Well, plus, plus how does this person really know this wingspan was 21 feet, you know<br /> <br /> S: Ah-hmm<br /> <br /> E: ...UFO sighting, they always get the distances and measurements wrong. Things that appear to be close up and, moving fast, are really, you know, very far away objects, so… who knows?<br /> <br /> S: Well, he did, he say that it was on the ground and that he used the road as a guide. So his wingspan was as wide as the road, which they later measured as 20 feet. But still either the story is exaggerated or that sighting was simply an error, for whatever reason. Because the angle of that was viewed at, or whatever. Certainly as Bob said, that's a much more likely explanation than there’s a hidden population of birds with 20 foot wingspans that is somehow escaping notice. I mean, it’s one thing, this does remind me a little bit of the [[Ivory-billed Woodpecker]] which was thought to be extinct for about 80 years, but then recently a couple of individuals thought that they might have seen one, and there’s in fact a video of this bird although... it’s probably just a [[Pileated Woodpecker]], the video, so far it has not been authenticated as an actual Ivory-billed Woodpecker. But here we’re talking about a, you know, a specimen that’s relatively small although, you know, it’s actually large for a woodpecker, it’s actually, you know, it’s a small bird, and living deep in the swamps. Yeah, okay, that could es- a swamp population of Ivory-billed Woodpeckers could escape notice. Not a population of 20 foot enormous birds. Okay, so we’ll file this one under another implausible claim of the cryptozoologists.<br /> <br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

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Regulations<br /> }}<br /> &lt;!--|-<br /> {{5X5 list entry<br /> |episode = 12<br /> |date = Mar 23 2008<br /> |contents = Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect<br /> |category1 = Alternative Medicine<br /> |category2 = Energy Healing<br /> |category3 = Religion &amp; Faith<br /> }} --&gt;<br /> &lt;!--|-<br /> {{5X5 list entry<br /> |episode = 11<br /> |date = Mar 16 2008<br /> |contents = The Rogues discuss an art project to give the city of Portland, Oregon acupuncture<br /> |category1 = Alternative Medicine<br /> |category2 = Energy Healing<br /> |category3 = Entertainment<br /> }} --&gt;<br /> &lt;!--|-<br /> {{5X5 list entry<br /> |episode = 10<br /> |date = Mar 9 2008<br /> |contents = Steven Spielberg to create new paranormal online community<br /> |category1 = Paranormal<br /> |category2 = Entertainment<br /> }} --&gt;<br /> &lt;!--|-<br /> {{5X5 list entry<br /> |episode = 9<br /> |date = Mar 2 2008<br /> |contents = An Emmy award winning actress and her 911 conspiracy theory<br /> |category1 = Conspiracy Theories<br /> }} --&gt;<br /> |-<br /> {{5X5 list entry<br /> |episode = 8<br /> |date = Feb 23 2008<br /> |contents = Cryptozoology - Hunting for the Thunderbird<br /> |category1 = Cryptozoology<br /> }}<br /> |-<br /> {{5X5 list entry<br /> |episode = 7<br /> |date = Feb 17 2008<br /> |contents = The panel discusses a proposed center for exorcism in Poland <br /> |category1 = Ghosts &amp; 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GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=User:GLG&diff=3125 2012-10-14T12:42:11Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>Greetings from Canada!<br /> <br /> SGU-Transcripts are a great way to promote skepticism by making SGU content more accessible, searchable, and referable! You can contribute by transcribing, proof-reading, categorizing, style-editing, and more. Please join!<br /> <br /> ==My Brag List==<br /> [[5X5 Episode 7]]</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_7&diff=3112 2012-10-14T09:55:48Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = A Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |previous = 6 &lt;!--previous episode no. --&gt;<br /> |next = 8 &lt;!--next episode no. --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == A Center for Exorcism == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, 5 minutes with 5 skeptics, the topic for today is exorcism on the rise in Europe. Reverend Trojanowski is planning to build quote unquote spiritual oasis in Poczernin Poland. Essentially a centre dedicated to performing exorcisms. He says that such a things is necessary to meet the rising demand for exorcism in Europe.<br /> <br /> R: Now that’s funny, because I don’t recall hearing anybody dying of demons recently, but I have heard of a number of people dying from exorcism, so…<br /> <br /> J: (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Dying ''from'' exorcism, that’s right.<br /> <br /> E: And here’s what one of their people say as to why: &quot;it’s because people don’t pray anymore, they don’t go to church, they don’t go to confession. There’s a lot more devil-worship, people interested in satanic things, and séances, and less in Jesus.&quot;<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, devil worship has been on the rise for a ''long'' time, and yet there’s still is actually no evidence that there is any actual Satan worship going on anywhere.<br /> <br /> J: Wait, Evan he also said new age therapy, alternative religion, or the occult.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, and they specifically mentioned yoga. Apparently, doing yoga opens you up to demonic possessions.<br /> <br /> J: Oh also, internet addicts. As well.<br /> <br /> B: Ahh! We're in trouble.<br /> <br /> E: Yeahh (laughs) that's what it says in...<br /> <br /> S: That’s using the internet...<br /> <br /> B: Now, it’s also ah, it's also important to know, I think, that these aren’t just some rogue exorcists either. The article that we will have on the page says that with the blessing of the local catholic Archbishop and theological support from the ''Vatican''<br /> <br /> S: Ah-hm.<br /> <br /> B: I went to a Vatican website, and grabbed some more articles, and did some translations from Italian, and I’ve found actually the new rite of exorcism that came out in 1999, this was an official presentation of Cardinal … Cardinal Medina Estevez, which is basically from the… the holy press-room I guess you would have call it; it says that it stress that to carry out the exorcism it’s necessary authorization from the diocese bishop; and then a few years later in 2001 I found a bulletin of the synod of bishops---a synod is a council of a church, usually a Christian church, convened to decide an issue of doctrine---now in the synod it said “to fight against evil, and the evil one…” now I could be wrong here, but I think he means Voldemort, “we must organize at the diocese and inter-diocese level, teams of pious, prudent, cultured, and integrated priests to practice exorcism and prayer to obtain healing from God” so… this, it’s, this is all sanctioned. And as long as you have the okay from a bishop it appears, of the diocese, you’re good to go.<br /> <br /> S: So what’s driving all of this? Is there actually an increased belief amongst the public in exorcism, or in… in demonic possessions, you know, leading to more people believing they’re possessed, ''or'', is this just the church, you know, desperately looking for some reason for some existence, reason to exist?<br /> <br /> E: The latter.<br /> <br /> B: The latter.<br /> <br /> S: … as their numbers dwindle.<br /> <br /> J: Steve, or they’re just trumping up these things, you know, people come with problems or whatever. Like this one woman she’s just redid her wedding vows and two weeks later she was having some serious problems with her husband, and they said that she was possessed, and they performed an exorcism on her because she was having ''marital problems.''<br /> <br /> S: Right. Now the protestants especially, and many of the fundamentalist churches, are a little more casual about the whole exorcism thing---they don’t need approval from a… higher up. And their doing exorcisms for whole kind of things. Like, gambling---if you have gambling problems, we’ll exorcise the demon of gambling that you have in you; overeating---you’re possessed by the demon of gluttony. There’s a demon for, you know, pretty much everything, anything that ails you.<br /> <br /> E: One stop-shop for demons!<br /> <br /> J: This is kinda like the thing where they gave all the kids an award, you know, when… when there’s some kind of contest, or an athletic thing at school. Like, there’s no losers anymore. Nothing is your fault anymore. You're fat, it’s not your fault. You’re stupid, it’s not your fault.<br /> <br /> S: It does all sounds a little bit desperate on their part, just trying to grasp at anything to, you know, convince the world that they are necessary.<br /> <br /> R: Ahh... the actual problem is not demonic possessions, it is exorcisms. And I encourage everybody who hasn’t seen it yet, check out [http://whatstheharm.net what's the harm dot net] and you can see a list of the terrible things that happen when, ahhh people decide to do exorcisms.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_7&diff=3111 2012-10-14T09:51:44Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = A Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |previous = 6 &lt;!--previous episode no. --&gt;<br /> |next = 8 &lt;!--next episode no. --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == A Center for Exorcism == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, 5 minutes with 5 skeptics, the topic for today is exorcism on the rise in Europe. Reverend Trojanowski is planning to build quote unquote spiritual oasis in Poczernin Poland. Essentially a centre dedicated to performing exorcisms. He says that such a things is necessary to meet the rising demand for exorcism in Europe.<br /> <br /> R: Now that’s funny, because I don’t recall hearing anybody dying of demons recently, but I have heard of a number of people dying from exorcism, so…<br /> <br /> J: (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Dying ''from'' exorcism, that’s right.<br /> <br /> E: And here’s what one of their people say as to why: &quot;it’s because people don’t pray anymore, they don’t go to church, they don’t go to confession. There’s a lot more devil-worship, people interested in satanic things, and séances, and less in Jesus.&quot;<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, devil worship has been on the rise for a ''long'' time, and yet there’s still is actually no evidence that there is any actual Satan worship going on anywhere.<br /> <br /> J: Wait, Evan he also said new age therapy, alternative religion, or the occult.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, and they specifically mentioned yoga. Apparently, doing yoga opens you up to demonic possessions.<br /> <br /> J: Oh also, internet addicts. As well.<br /> <br /> B: Ahh! We're in trouble.<br /> <br /> E: Yeahh (laughs) that's what it says in...<br /> <br /> S: That’s using the internet...<br /> <br /> B: Now, it’s also ah, it's also important to know, I think, that these aren’t just some rogue exorcists either. The article that we will have on the page says that with the blessing of the local catholic Archbishop and theological support from the ''Vatican''<br /> <br /> S: Ah-hm.<br /> <br /> B: I went to a Vatican website, and grabbed some more articles, and did some translations from Italian, and I’ve found actually the new rite of exorcism that came out in 1999, this was an official presentation of Cardinal … Cardinal Medina Estevez, which is basically from the… the holy press-room I guess you would have call it; it says that it stress that to carry out the exorcism it’s necessary authorization from the diocese bishop; and then a few years later in 2001 I found a bulletin of the synod of bishops---a synod is a council of a church, usually a Christian church, convened to decide an issue of doctrine---now in the synod it said “to fight against evil, and the evil one…” now I could be wrong here, but I think he means Voldemort, “we must organize at the diocese and inter-diocese level, teams of pious, prudent, cultured, and integrated priests to practice exorcism and prayer to obtain healing from God” so… this, it’s, this is all sanctioned. And as long as you have the okay from a bishop it appears, of the diocese, you’re good to go.<br /> <br /> S: So what’s driving all of this? Is there actually an increased belief amongst the public in exorcism, or in… in demonic possessions, you know, leading to more people believing they’re possessed, ''or'', is this just the church, you know, desperately looking for some reason for some existence, reason to exist?<br /> <br /> E: The latter.<br /> <br /> B: The latter.<br /> <br /> S: … as their numbers dwindle.<br /> <br /> J: Steve, or they’re just trumping up these things, you know, people come with problems or whatever. Like this one woman she’s just redid her wedding vows and two weeks later she was having some serious problems with her husband, and they said that she was possessed, and they performed an exorcism on her because she was having ''marital problems.''<br /> <br /> S: Right. Now the protestants especially, and many of the fundamentalist churches, are a little more casual about the whole exorcism thing---they don’t need approval from a… higher up. And their doing exorcisms for whole kind of things. Like, gambling---if you have gambling problems, we’ll exorcise the demon of gambling that you have in you; overeating---you’re possessed by the demon of gluttony. There’s a demon for, you know, pretty much everything, anything that ails you.<br /> <br /> E: One stop-shop for demons!<br /> <br /> J: This is kinda like the thing where they gave all the kids an award, you know, when… when there’s some kind of contest, or an athletic thing at school. Like, there’s no losers anymore. Nothing is your fault anymore. Your fat, it’s not your fault. You’re stupid, it’s not your fault.<br /> <br /> S: It does all sounds a little bit desperate on their part, just trying to grasp at anything to, you know, convince the world that they are necessary.<br /> <br /> R: Ahh... the actual problem is not demonic possessions, it is exorcisms. And I encourage everybody who hasn’t seen it yet, check out [http://whatstheharm.net what's the harm dot net] and you can see a list of the terrible things that happen when, ahhh people decide to do exorcisms.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_7&diff=3110 2012-10-14T09:51:06Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = A Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |previous = 6 &lt;!--previous episode no. --&gt;<br /> |next = 8 &lt;!--next episode no. --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == A Center for Exorcism == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, 5 minutes with 5 skeptics, the topic for today is exorcism on the rise in Europe. Reverend Trojanowski is planning to build quote unquote spiritual oasis in Poczernin Poland. Essentially a centre dedicated to performing exorcisms. He says that such a things is necessary to meet the rising demand for exorcism in Europe.<br /> <br /> R: Now that’s funny, because I don’t recall hearing anybody dying of demons recently, but I have heard of a number of people dying from exorcism, so…<br /> <br /> J: (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Dying ''from'' exorcism, that’s right.<br /> <br /> E: And here’s what one of their people say as to why: &quot;it’s because people don’t pray anymore, they don’t go to church, they don’t go to confession. There’s a lot more devil-worship, people interested in satanic things, and séances, and less in Jesus.&quot;<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, devil worship has been on the rise for a ''long'' time, and yet there’s still is actually no evidence that there is any actual Satan worship going on anywhere.<br /> <br /> J: Wait, Evan he also said new age therapy, alternative religion, or the occult.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, and they specifically mentioned yoga. Apparently, doing yoga opens you up to demonic possessions.<br /> <br /> J: Oh also, internet addicts. As well.<br /> <br /> B: Ahh! We're in trouble.<br /> <br /> E: Yeahh (laughs) that's what it says in...<br /> <br /> S: That’s using the internet...<br /> <br /> B: Now, it’s also ah, it's also important to know, I think, that these aren’t just some rogue exorcists either. The article that we will have on the page says that with the blessing of the local catholic arch-bishop and theological support from the ''Vatican''<br /> <br /> S: Ah-hm.<br /> <br /> B: I went to a Vatican website, and grabbed some more articles, and did some translations from Italian, and I’ve found actually the new rite of exorcism that came out in 1999, this was an official presentation of Cardinal … Cardinal Medina Estevez, which is basically from the… the holy press-room I guess you would have call it; it says that it stress that to carry out the exorcism it’s necessary authorization from the diocese bishop; and then a few years later in 2001 I found a bulletin of the synod of bishops---a synod is a council of a church, usually a Christian church, convened to decide an issue of doctrine---now in the synod it said “to fight against evil, and the evil one…” now I could be wrong here, but I think he means Voldemort, “we must organize at the diocese and inter-diocese level, teams of pious, prudent, cultured, and integrated priests to practice exorcism and prayer to obtain healing from God” so… this, it’s, this is all sanctioned. And as long as you have the okay from a bishop it appears, of the diocese, you’re good to go.<br /> <br /> S: So what’s driving all of this? Is there actually an increased belief amongst the public in exorcism, or in… in demonic possessions, you know, leading to more people believing they’re possessed, ''or'', is this just the church, you know, desperately looking for some reason for some existence, reason to exist?<br /> <br /> E: The latter.<br /> <br /> B: The latter.<br /> <br /> S: … as their numbers dwindle.<br /> <br /> J: Steve, or they’re just trumping up these things, you know, people come with problems or whatever. Like this one woman she’s just redid her wedding vows and two weeks later she was having some serious problems with her husband, and they said that she was possessed, and they performed an exorcism on her because she was having ''marital problems.''<br /> <br /> S: Right. Now the protestants especially, and many of the fundamentalist churches, are a little more casual about the whole exorcism thing---they don’t need approval from a… higher up. And their doing exorcisms for whole kind of things. Like, gambling---if you have gambling problems, we’ll exorcise the demon of gambling that you have in you; overeating---you’re possessed by the demon of gluttony. There’s a demon for, you know, pretty much everything, anything that ails you.<br /> <br /> E: One stop-shop for demons!<br /> <br /> J: This is kinda like the thing where they gave all the kids an award, you know, when… when there’s some kind of contest, or an athletic thing at school. Like, there’s no losers anymore. Nothing is your fault anymore. Your fat, it’s not your fault. You’re stupid, it’s not your fault.<br /> <br /> S: It does all sounds a little bit desperate on their part, just trying to grasp at anything to, you know, convince the world that they are necessary.<br /> <br /> R: Ahh... the actual problem is not demonic possessions, it is exorcisms. And I encourage everybody who hasn’t seen it yet, check out [http://whatstheharm.net what's the harm dot net] and you can see a list of the terrible things that happen when, ahhh people decide to do exorcisms.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_7&diff=3109 2012-10-14T09:50:18Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = A Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |previous = 6 &lt;!--previous episode no. --&gt;<br /> |next = 8 &lt;!--next episode no. --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == A Center for Exorcism == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, 5 minutes with 5 skeptics, the topic for today is exorcism on the rise in Europe. Reverend Trojanowski is planning to build quote unquote spiritual oasis in Poczernin Poland. Essentially a centre dedicated to performing exorcisms. He says that such a things is necessary to meet the rising demand for exorcism in Europe.<br /> <br /> R: Now that’s funny, because I don’t recall hearing anybody dying of demons recently, but I have heard of a number of people dying from exorcism, so…<br /> <br /> J: (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Dying ''from'' exorcism, that’s right.<br /> <br /> E: And here’s what one of their people say as to why: &quot;it’s because people don’t pray anymore, they don’t go to church, they don’t go to confession. There’s a lot more devil-worship, people interested in satanic things, and séances, and less in Jesus.&quot;<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, devil worship has been on the rise for a ''long'' time, and yet there’s still is actually no evidence that there is any actual Satan worship going on anywhere.<br /> <br /> J: Wait, Evan he also said new age therapy, alternative religion, or the occult.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, and they specifically mentioned yoga. Apparently, doing yoga opens you up to demonic possessions.<br /> <br /> J: Oh also, internet addicts. As well.<br /> <br /> B: Ahh! We're in trouble.<br /> <br /> E: Yeahh (laughs) that's what it says in...<br /> <br /> S: That’s using the internet...<br /> <br /> B: Now, it’s also ah, it's also important to know, I think, that these aren’t just some rogue exorcist either. The article that we will have on the page says that with the blessing of the local catholic arch-bishop and theological support from the 'Vatican''<br /> <br /> S: Ah-hm<br /> <br /> B: I went to a Vatican website, and grabbed some more articles, and did some translations from Italian, and I’ve found actually the new rite of exorcism that came out in 1999, this was an official presentation of Cardinal … Cardinal Medina Estevez, which is basically from the… the holy press-room I guess you would have call it; it says that it stress that to carry out the exorcism it’s necessary authorization from the diocese bishop; and then a few years later in 2001 I found a bulletin of the synod of bishops---a synod is a council of a church, usually a Christian church, convened to decide an issue of doctrine---now in the synod it said “to fight against evil, and the evil one…” now I could be wrong here, but I think he means Voldemort, “we must organize at the diocese and inter-diocese level, teams of pious, prudent, cultured, and integrated priests to practice exorcism and prayer to obtain healing from God” so… this, it’s, this is all sanctioned. And as long as you have the okay from a bishop it appears, of the diocese, you’re good to go.<br /> <br /> S: So what’s driving all of this? Is there actually an increased belief amongst the public in exorcism, or in… in demonic possessions, you know, leading to more people believing they’re possessed, ''or'', is this just the church, you know, desperately looking for some reason for some existence, reason to exist?<br /> <br /> E: The latter.<br /> <br /> B: The latter.<br /> <br /> S: … as their numbers dwindle.<br /> <br /> J: Steve, or they’re just trumping up these things, you know, people come with problems or whatever. Like this one woman she’s just redid her wedding vows and two weeks later she was having some serious problems with her husband, and they said that she was possessed, and they performed an exorcism on her because she was having ''marital problems.''<br /> <br /> S: Right. Now the protestants especially, and many of the fundamentalist churches, are a little more casual about the whole exorcism thing---they don’t need approval from a… higher up. And their doing exorcisms for whole kind of things. Like, gambling---if you have gambling problems, we’ll exorcise the demon of gambling that you have in you; overeating---you’re possessed by the demon of gluttony. There’s a demon for, you know, pretty much everything, anything that ails you.<br /> <br /> E: One stop-shop for demons!<br /> <br /> J: This is kinda like the thing where they gave all the kids an award, you know, when… when there’s some kind of contest, or an athletic thing at school. Like, there’s no losers anymore. Nothing is your fault anymore. Your fat, it’s not your fault. You’re stupid, it’s not your fault.<br /> <br /> S: It does all sounds a little bit desperate on their part, just trying to grasp at anything to, you know, convince the world that they are necessary.<br /> <br /> R: Ahh... the actual problem is not demonic possessions, it is exorcisms. And I encourage everybody who hasn’t seen it yet, check out [http://whatstheharm.net what's the harm dot net] and you can see a list of the terrible things that happen when, ahhh people decide to do exorcisms.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_7&diff=3108 2012-10-14T09:49:22Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = A Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |previous = 6 &lt;!--previous episode no. --&gt;<br /> |next = 8 &lt;!--next episode no. --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == A Center for Exorcism == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, 5 minutes with 5 skeptics, the topic for today is exorcism on the rise in Europe. Reverend Trojanowski is planning to build quote unquote spiritual oasis in Poczernin Poland. Essentially a centre dedicated to performing exorcisms. He says that such a things is necessary to meet the rising demand for exorcism in Europe.<br /> <br /> R: Now that’s funny, because I don’t recall hearing anybody dying of demons recently, but I have heard of a number of people dying from exorcism, so…<br /> <br /> J: (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Dying ''from'' exorcism, that’s right.<br /> <br /> E: And here’s what one of their people say as to why: &quot;it’s because people don’t pray anymore, they don’t go to church, they don’t go to confession. There’s a lot more devil-worship, people interested in satanic things, and séances, and less in Jesus.&quot;<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, devil worship has been on the rise for a ''long'' time, and yet there’s still is actually no evidence that there is any actual Satan worship going on anywhere.<br /> <br /> J: Wait, Evan he also said new age therapy, alternative religion, or the occult.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, and they specifically mentioned yoga. Apparently, doing yoga opens you up to demonic possessions.<br /> <br /> J: Oh also, internet addicts. As well<br /> <br /> B: Ahh! We're in trouble.<br /> <br /> E: Yeahh (laughs) that's what it says in...<br /> <br /> J: That’s using the internet...<br /> <br /> B: Now, it’s also ah, it's also important to know, I think, that these aren’t just some rogue exorcist either. The article that we will have on the page says that with the blessing of the local catholic arch-bishop and theological support from the 'Vatican''<br /> <br /> S: Ah-hm<br /> <br /> B: I went to a Vatican website, and grabbed some more articles, and did some translations from Italian, and I’ve found actually the new rite of exorcism that came out in 1999, this was an official presentation of Cardinal … Cardinal Medina Estevez, which is basically from the… the holy press-room I guess you would have call it; it says that it stress that to carry out the exorcism it’s necessary authorization from the diocese bishop; and then a few years later in 2001 I found a bulletin of the synod of bishops---a synod is a council of a church, usually a Christian church, convened to decide an issue of doctrine---now in the synod it said “to fight against evil, and the evil one…” now I could be wrong here, but I think he means Voldemort, “we must organize at the diocese and inter-diocese level, teams of pious, prudent, cultured, and integrated priests to practice exorcism and prayer to obtain healing from God” so… this, it’s, this is all sanctioned. And as long as you have the okay from a bishop it appears, of the diocese, you’re good to go.<br /> <br /> S: So what’s driving all of this? Is there actually an increased belief amongst the public in exorcism, or in… in demonic possessions, you know, leading to more people believing they’re possessed, ''or'', is this just the church, you know, desperately looking for some reason for some existence, reason to exist?<br /> <br /> E: The latter.<br /> <br /> B: The latter.<br /> <br /> S: … as their numbers dwindle.<br /> <br /> J: Steve, or they’re just trumping up these things, you know, people come with problems or whatever. Like this one woman she’s just redid her wedding vows and two weeks later she was having some serious problems with her husband, and they said that she was possessed, and they performed an exorcism on her because she was having ''marital problems.''<br /> <br /> S: Right. Now the protestants especially, and many of the fundamentalist churches, are a little more casual about the whole exorcism thing---they don’t need approval from a… higher up. And their doing exorcisms for whole kind of things. Like, gambling---if you have gambling problems, we’ll exorcise the demon of gambling that you have in you; overeating---you’re possessed by the demon of gluttony. There’s a demon for, you know, pretty much everything, anything that ails you.<br /> <br /> E: One stop-shop for demons!<br /> <br /> J: This is kinda like the thing where they gave all the kids an award, you know, when… when there’s some kind of contest, or an athletic thing at school. Like, there’s no losers anymore. Nothing is your fault anymore. Your fat, it’s not your fault. You’re stupid, it’s not your fault.<br /> <br /> S: It does all sounds a little bit desperate on their part, just trying to grasp at anything to, you know, convince the world that they are necessary.<br /> <br /> R: Ahh... the actual problem is not demonic possessions, it is exorcisms. And I encourage everybody who hasn’t seen it yet, check out [http://whatstheharm.net what's the harm dot net] and you can see a list of the terrible things that happen when, ahhh people decide to do exorcisms.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_7&diff=3107 2012-10-14T09:48:52Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = A Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |previous = 6 &lt;!--previous episode no. --&gt;<br /> |next = 8 &lt;!--next episode no. --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == A Center for Exorcism == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, 5 minutes with 5 skeptics, the topic for today is exorcism on the rise in Europe. Reverend Trojanowski is planning to build quote unquote spiritual oasis in Poczernin Poland. Essentially a centre dedicated to performing exorcisms. He says that such a things is necessary to meet the rising demand for exorcism in Europe.<br /> <br /> R: Now that’s funny, because I don’t recall hearing anybody dying of demons recently, but I have heard of a number of people dying from exorcism, so…<br /> <br /> J: (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Dying ''from'' exorcism, that’s right.<br /> <br /> E: And here’s what one of their people say as to why: “it’s because people don’t pray anymore, they don’t go to church, they don’t go to confession. There’s a lot more devil-worship, people interested in satanic things, and séances, and less in Jesus.&quot;<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, devil worship has been on the rise for a ''long'' time, and yet there’s still is actually no evidence that there is any actual Satan worship going on anywhere.<br /> <br /> J: Wait, Evan he also said new age therapy, alternative religion, or the occult.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, and they specifically mentioned yoga. Apparently, doing yoga opens you up to demonic possessions.<br /> <br /> J: Oh also, internet addicts. As well<br /> <br /> B: Ahh! We're in trouble.<br /> <br /> E: Yeahh (laughs) that's what it says in...<br /> <br /> J: That’s using the internet...<br /> <br /> B: Now, it’s also ah, it's also important to know, I think, that these aren’t just some rogue exorcist either. The article that we will have on the page says that with the blessing of the local catholic arch-bishop and theological support from the 'Vatican''<br /> <br /> S: Ah-hm<br /> <br /> B: I went to a Vatican website, and grabbed some more articles, and did some translations from Italian, and I’ve found actually the new rite of exorcism that came out in 1999, this was an official presentation of Cardinal … Cardinal Medina Estevez, which is basically from the… the holy press-room I guess you would have call it; it says that it stress that to carry out the exorcism it’s necessary authorization from the diocese bishop; and then a few years later in 2001 I found a bulletin of the synod of bishops---a synod is a council of a church, usually a Christian church, convened to decide an issue of doctrine---now in the synod it said “to fight against evil, and the evil one…” now I could be wrong here, but I think he means Voldemort, “we must organize at the diocese and inter-diocese level, teams of pious, prudent, cultured, and integrated priests to practice exorcism and prayer to obtain healing from God” so… this, it’s, this is all sanctioned. And as long as you have the okay from a bishop it appears, of the diocese, you’re good to go.<br /> <br /> S: So what’s driving all of this? Is there actually an increased belief amongst the public in exorcism, or in… in demonic possessions, you know, leading to more people believing they’re possessed, ''or'', is this just the church, you know, desperately looking for some reason for some existence, reason to exist?<br /> <br /> E: The latter.<br /> <br /> B: The latter.<br /> <br /> S: … as their numbers dwindle.<br /> <br /> J: Steve, or they’re just trumping up these things, you know, people come with problems or whatever. Like this one woman she’s just redid her wedding vows and two weeks later she was having some serious problems with her husband, and they said that she was possessed, and they performed an exorcism on her because she was having ''marital problems.''<br /> <br /> S: Right. Now the protestants especially, and many of the fundamentalist churches, are a little more casual about the whole exorcism thing---they don’t need approval from a… higher up. And their doing exorcisms for whole kind of things. Like, gambling---if you have gambling problems, we’ll exorcise the demon of gambling that you have in you; overeating---you’re possessed by the demon of gluttony. There’s a demon for, you know, pretty much everything, anything that ails you.<br /> <br /> E: One stop-shop for demons!<br /> <br /> J: This is kinda like the thing where they gave all the kids an award, you know, when… when there’s some kind of contest, or an athletic thing at school. Like, there’s no losers anymore. Nothing is your fault anymore. Your fat, it’s not your fault. You’re stupid, it’s not your fault.<br /> <br /> S: It does all sounds a little bit desperate on their part, just trying to grasp at anything to, you know, convince the world that they are necessary.<br /> <br /> R: Ahh... the actual problem is not demonic possessions, it is exorcisms. And I encourage everybody who hasn’t seen it yet, check out [http://whatstheharm.net what's the harm dot net] and you can see a list of the terrible things that happen when, ahhh people decide to do exorcisms.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_7&diff=3106 2012-10-14T09:47:31Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = A Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |previous = 6 &lt;!--previous episode no. --&gt;<br /> |next = 8 &lt;!--next episode no. --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == A Center for Exorcism == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, 5 minutes with 5 skeptics, the topic for today is exorcism on the rise in Europe. Reverend Trojanowski is planning to build quote unquote spiritual oasis in Poczernin Poland. Essentially a centre dedicated to performing exorcisms. He says that such a things is necessary to meet the rising demand for exorcism in Europe.<br /> <br /> R: Now that’s funny, because I don’t recall hearing anybody dying of demons recently, but I have heard of a number of people dying from exorcism, so…<br /> <br /> J: (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Dying ''from'' exorcism, that’s right.<br /> <br /> E: And here’s what one of their people say as to why: “it’s because people don’t pray anymore, they don’t go to church, they don’t go to confession. There’s a lot more devil-worship, people interesting in satanic things, and séances, and less in jesus.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, devil worship has been on the rise for a ''long'' time, and yet there’s still is actually no evidence that there is any actual Satan worship going on anywhere.<br /> <br /> J: Wait, Evan he also said new age therapy, alternative religion, or the occult.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, and they specifically mentioned yoga. Apparently, doing yoga opens you up to demonic possessions.<br /> <br /> J: Oh also, internet addicts. As well<br /> <br /> B: Ahh! We're in trouble.<br /> <br /> E: Yeahh (laughs) that's what it says in...<br /> <br /> J: That’s using the internet...<br /> <br /> B: Now, it’s also ah, it's also important to know, I think, that these aren’t just some rogue exorcist either. The article that we will have on the page says that with the blessing of the local catholic arch-bishop and theological support from the 'Vatican''<br /> <br /> S: Ah-hm<br /> <br /> B: I went to a Vatican website, and grabbed some more articles, and did some translations from Italian, and I’ve found actually the new rite of exorcism that came out in 1999, this was an official presentation of Cardinal … Cardinal Medina Estevez, which is basically from the… the holy press-room I guess you would have call it; it says that it stress that to carry out the exorcism it’s necessary authorization from the diocese bishop; and then a few years later in 2001 I found a bulletin of the synod of bishops---a synod is a council of a church, usually a Christian church, convened to decide an issue of doctrine---now in the synod it said “to fight against evil, and the evil one…” now I could be wrong here, but I think he means Voldemort, “we must organize at the diocese and inter-diocese level, teams of pious, prudent, cultured, and integrated priests to practice exorcism and prayer to obtain healing from God” so… this, it’s, this is all sanctioned. And as long as you have the okay from a bishop it appears, of the diocese, you’re good to go.<br /> <br /> S: So what’s driving all of this? Is there actually an increased belief amongst the public in exorcism, or in… in demonic possessions, you know, leading to more people believing they’re possessed, ''or'', is this just the church, you know, desperately looking for some reason for some existence, reason to exist?<br /> <br /> E: The latter.<br /> <br /> B: The latter.<br /> <br /> S: … as their numbers dwindle.<br /> <br /> J: Steve, or they’re just trumping up these things, you know, people come with problems or whatever. Like this one woman she’s just redid her wedding vows and two weeks later she was having some serious problems with her husband, and they said that she was possessed, and they performed an exorcism on her because she was having ''marital problems.''<br /> <br /> S: Right. Now the protestants especially, and many of the fundamentalist churches, are a little more casual about the whole exorcism thing---they don’t need approval from a… higher up. And their doing exorcisms for whole kind of things. Like, gambling---if you have gambling problems, we’ll exorcise the demon of gambling that you have in you; overeating---you’re possessed by the demon of gluttony. There’s a demon for, you know, pretty much everything, anything that ails you.<br /> <br /> E: One stop-shop for demons!<br /> <br /> J: This is kinda like the thing where they gave all the kids an award, you know, when… when there’s some kind of contest, or an athletic thing at school. Like, there’s no losers anymore. Nothing is your fault anymore. Your fat, it’s not your fault. You’re stupid, it’s not your fault.<br /> <br /> S: It does all sounds a little bit desperate on their part, just trying to grasp at anything to, you know, convince the world that they are necessary.<br /> <br /> R: Ahh... the actual problem is not demonic possessions, it is exorcisms. And I encourage everybody who hasn’t seen it yet, check out [http://whatstheharm.net what's the harm dot net] and you can see a list of the terrible things that happen when, ahhh people decide to do exorcisms.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_7&diff=3105 2012-10-14T09:46:40Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |previous = 6 &lt;!--previous episode no. --&gt;<br /> |next = 8 &lt;!--next episode no. --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == Episode title == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, 5 minutes with 5 skeptics, the topic for today is exorcism on the rise in Europe. Reverend Trojanowski is planning to build quote unquote spiritual oasis in Poczernin Poland. Essentially a centre dedicated to performing exorcisms. He says that such a things is necessary to meet the rising demand for exorcism in Europe.<br /> <br /> R: Now that’s funny, because I don’t recall hearing anybody dying of demons recently, but I have heard of a number of people dying from exorcism, so…<br /> <br /> J: (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Dying ''from'' exorcism, that’s right.<br /> <br /> E: And here’s what one of their people say as to why: “it’s because people don’t pray anymore, they don’t go to church, they don’t go to confession. There’s a lot more devil-worship, people interesting in satanic things, and séances, and less in jesus.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, devil worship has been on the rise for a ''long'' time, and yet there’s still is actually no evidence that there is any actual Satan worship going on anywhere.<br /> <br /> J: Wait, Evan he also said new age therapy, alternative religion, or the occult.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, and they specifically mentioned yoga. Apparently, doing yoga opens you up to demonic possessions.<br /> <br /> J: Oh also, internet addicts. As well<br /> <br /> B: Ahh! We're in trouble.<br /> <br /> E: Yeahh (laughs) that's what it says in...<br /> <br /> J: That’s using the internet...<br /> <br /> B: Now, it’s also ah, it's also important to know, I think, that these aren’t just some rogue exorcist either. The article that we will have on the page says that with the blessing of the local catholic arch-bishop and theological support from the 'Vatican''<br /> <br /> S: Ah-hm<br /> <br /> B: I went to a Vatican website, and grabbed some more articles, and did some translations from Italian, and I’ve found actually the new rite of exorcism that came out in 1999, this was an official presentation of Cardinal … Cardinal Medina Estevez, which is basically from the… the holy press-room I guess you would have call it; it says that it stress that to carry out the exorcism it’s necessary authorization from the diocese bishop; and then a few years later in 2001 I found a bulletin of the synod of bishops---a synod is a council of a church, usually a Christian church, convened to decide an issue of doctrine---now in the synod it said “to fight against evil, and the evil one…” now I could be wrong here, but I think he means Voldemort, “we must organize at the diocese and inter-diocese level, teams of pious, prudent, cultured, and integrated priests to practice exorcism and prayer to obtain healing from God” so… this, it’s, this is all sanctioned. And as long as you have the okay from a bishop it appears, of the diocese, you’re good to go.<br /> <br /> S: So what’s driving all of this? Is there actually an increased belief amongst the public in exorcism, or in… in demonic possessions, you know, leading to more people believing they’re possessed, ''or'', is this just the church, you know, desperately looking for some reason for some existence, reason to exist?<br /> <br /> E: The latter.<br /> <br /> B: The latter.<br /> <br /> S: … as their numbers dwindle.<br /> <br /> J: Steve, or they’re just trumping up these things, you know, people come with problems or whatever. Like this one woman she’s just redid her wedding vows and two weeks later she was having some serious problems with her husband, and they said that she was possessed, and they performed an exorcism on her because she was having ''marital problems.''<br /> <br /> S: Right. Now the protestants especially, and many of the fundamentalist churches, are a little more casual about the whole exorcism thing---they don’t need approval from a… higher up. And their doing exorcisms for whole kind of things. Like, gambling---if you have gambling problems, we’ll exorcise the demon of gambling that you have in you; overeating---you’re possessed by the demon of gluttony. There’s a demon for, you know, pretty much everything, anything that ails you.<br /> <br /> E: One stop-shop for demons!<br /> <br /> J: This is kinda like the thing where they gave all the kids an award, you know, when… when there’s some kind of contest, or an athletic thing at school. Like, there’s no losers anymore. Nothing is your fault anymore. Your fat, it’s not your fault. You’re stupid, it’s not your fault.<br /> <br /> S: It does all sounds a little bit desperate on their part, just trying to grasp at anything to, you know, convince the world that they are necessary.<br /> <br /> R: Ahh... the actual problem is not demonic possessions, it is exorcisms. And I encourage everybody who hasn’t seen it yet, check out [http://whatstheharm.net what's the harm dot net] and you can see a list of the terrible things that happen when, ahhh people decide to do exorcisms.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_7&diff=3104 2012-10-14T09:45:47Z

<p>GLG: Added transcript</p> <hr /> <div>{{transcribing all <br /> |transcriber = GLG <br /> }} <br /> <br /> {{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |previous = 6 &lt;!--previous episode no. --&gt;<br /> |next = 8 &lt;!--next episode no. --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == Episode title == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> S: This is the SGU 5x5, 5 minutes with 5 skeptics, the topic for today is exorcism on the rise in Europe. Reverend Trojanowski is planning to build quote unquote spiritual oasis in Poczernin Poland. Essentially a centre dedicated to performing exorcisms. He says that such a things is necessary to meet the rising demand for exorcism in Europe.<br /> <br /> R: Now that’s funny, because I don’t recall hearing anybody dying of demons recently, but I have heard of a number of people dying from exorcism, so…<br /> <br /> J: (laughter)<br /> <br /> S: Dying ''from'' exorcism, that’s right.<br /> <br /> E: And here’s what one of their people say as to why: “it’s because people don’t pray anymore, they don’t go to church, they don’t go to confession. There’s a lot more devil-worship, people interesting in satanic things, and séances, and less in jesus.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, devil worship has been on the rise for a ''long'' time, and yet there’s still is actually no evidence that there is any actual Satan worship going on anywhere.<br /> <br /> J: Wait, Evan he also said new age therapy, alternative religion, or the occult.<br /> <br /> S: Yeah, and they specifically mentioned yoga. Apparently, doing yoga opens you up to demonic possessions.<br /> <br /> J: Oh also, internet addicts. As well<br /> <br /> B: Ahh! We're in trouble.<br /> <br /> E: Yeahh (laughs) that's what it says in...<br /> <br /> J: That’s using the internet...<br /> <br /> B: Now, it’s also ah, it's also important to know, I think, that these aren’t just some rogue exorcist either. The article that we will have on the page says that with the blessing of the local catholic arch-bishop and theological support from the 'Vatican''<br /> <br /> S: Ah-hm<br /> <br /> B: I went to a Vatican website, and grabbed some more articles, and did some translations from Italian, and I’ve found actually the new rite of exorcism that came out in 1999, this was an official presentation of Cardinal … Cardinal Medina Estevez, which is basically from the… the holy press-room I guess you would have call it; it says that it stress that to carry out the exorcism it’s necessary authorization from the diocese bishop; and then a few years later in 2001 I found a bulletin of the synod of bishops---a synod is a council of a church, usually a Christian church, convened to decide an issue of doctrine---now in the synod it said “to fight against evil, and the evil one…” now I could be wrong here, but I think he means Voldemort, “we must organize at the diocese and inter-diocese level, teams of pious, prudent, cultured, and integrated priests to practice exorcism and prayer to obtain healing from God” so… this, it’s, this is all sanctioned. And as long as you have the okay from a bishop it appears, of the diocese, you’re good to go.<br /> <br /> S: So what’s driving all of this? Is there actually an increased belief amongst the public in exorcism, or in… in demonic possessions, you know, leading to more people believing they’re possessed, ''or'', is this just the church, you know, desperately looking for some reason for some existence, reason to exist?<br /> <br /> E: The latter.<br /> <br /> B: The latter.<br /> <br /> S: … as their numbers dwindle.<br /> <br /> J: Steve, or they’re just trumping up these things, you know, people come with problems or whatever. Like this one woman she’s just redid her wedding vows and two weeks later she was having some serious problems with her husband, and they said that she was possessed, and they performed an exorcism on her because she was having ''marital problems.''<br /> <br /> S: Right. Now the protestants especially, and many of the fundamentalist churches, are a little more casual about the whole exorcism thing---they don’t need approval from a… higher up. And their doing exorcisms for whole kind of things. Like, gambling---if you have gambling problems, we’ll exorcise the demon of gambling that you have in you; overeating---you’re possessed by the demon of gluttony. There’s a demon for, you know, pretty much everything, anything that ails you.<br /> <br /> E: One stop-shop for demons!<br /> <br /> J: This is kinda like the thing where they gave all the kids an award, you know, when… when there’s some kind of contest, or an athletic thing at school. Like, there’s no losers anymore. Nothing is your fault anymore. Your fat, it’s not your fault. You’re stupid, it’s not your fault.<br /> <br /> S: It does all sounds a little bit desperate on their part, just trying to grasp at anything to, you know, convince the world that they are necessary.<br /> <br /> R: Ahh... the actual problem is not demonic possessions, it is exorcisms. And I encourage everybody who hasn’t seen it yet, check out [http://whatstheharm.net what's the harm dot net] and you can see a list of the terrible things that happen when, ahhh people decide to do exorcisms.<br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_Episode_7&diff=3103 2012-10-14T09:17:08Z

<p>GLG: Created page</p> <hr /> <div>{{transcribing all <br /> |transcriber = GLG <br /> }} <br /> <br /> {{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |previous = 6 &lt;!--previous episode no. --&gt;<br /> |next = 8 &lt;!--next episode no. --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == Episode title == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_skeleton&diff=3102 2012-10-14T09:16:43Z

<p>GLG: Undo revision 3099 by GLG (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>{{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 110 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Naturalistic Fallacy &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 11&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; April 2012 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |guest1 = RW: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wiseman Richard Wiseman] &lt;!-- if no guest, delete, otherwise add link where possible --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52012-04-11.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=110 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,41293.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == Episode title == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_skeleton&diff=3101 2012-10-14T09:16:31Z

<p>GLG: Undo revision 3100 by GLG (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>{{transcribing all <br /> |transcriber = GLG <br /> }} <br /> <br /> {{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == Episode title == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_skeleton&diff=3100 2012-10-14T09:14:05Z

<p>GLG: </p> <hr /> <div>{{transcribing all <br /> |transcriber = GLG <br /> }} <br /> <br /> {{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |previous = 6 &lt;!--previous episode no. --&gt;<br /> |next = 8 &lt;!--next episode no. --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == Episode title == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

GLG https://www.sgutranscripts.org/w/index.php?title=5X5_skeleton&diff=3099 2012-10-14T09:10:16Z

<p>GLG: Created page</p> <hr /> <div>{{transcribing all <br /> |transcriber = GLG <br /> }} <br /> <br /> {{Template:5X5 infobox &lt;!-- for help on customizing this, see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeID = 5X5 Episode 7 &lt;!-- episode name --&gt;<br /> |Contents = Center for Exorcism &lt;!-- short title based on listed 'Contents' - see [[Help:5X5_infobox]] --&gt;<br /> |episodeDate = 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 2008 &lt;!-- broadcast date --&gt;<br /> |rebecca = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |bob = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |jay = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |evan = y &lt;!-- if absent, delete --&gt;<br /> |downloadLink = http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-02-17.mp3 &lt;!-- link for podcast download --&gt;<br /> |notesLink = http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&amp;pid=7 &lt;!-- link to show notes --&gt;<br /> |forumLink = http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,8659.0.html &lt;!-- link to episode forum page --&gt;<br /> |}}<br /> == Episode title == &lt;!-- Taken from show notes --&gt;<br /> {{5x5intro}}<br /> <br /> <br /> {{5x5outro}}<br /> <br /> {{5X5 Navigation}}</div>

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Regulations<br /> }}<br /> &lt;!--|-<br /> {{5X5 list entry<br /> |episode = 12<br /> |date = Mar 23 2008<br /> |contents = Faith-healing cult leads to child death from medical neglect<br /> |category1 = Alternative Medicine<br /> |category2 = Energy Healing<br /> |category3 = Religion &amp; Faith<br /> }} --&gt;<br /> &lt;!--|-<br /> {{5X5 list entry<br /> |episode = 11<br /> |date = Mar 16 2008<br /> |contents = The Rogues discuss an art project to give the city of Portland, Oregon acupuncture<br /> |category1 = Alternative Medicine<br /> |category2 = Energy Healing<br /> |category3 = Entertainment<br /> }} --&gt;<br /> &lt;!--|-<br /> {{5X5 list entry<br /> |episode = 10<br /> |date = Mar 9 2008<br /> |contents = Steven Spielberg to create new paranormal online community<br /> |category1 = Paranormal<br /> |category2 = Entertainment<br /> }} --&gt;<br /> &lt;!--|-<br /> {{5X5 list entry<br /> |episode = 9<br /> |date = Mar 2 2008<br /> |contents = An Emmy award winning actress and her 911 conspiracy theory<br /> |category1 = Conspiracy Theories<br /> }} --&gt;<br /> &lt;!--|-<br /> {{5X5 list entry<br /> |episode = 8<br /> |date = Feb 23 2008<br /> |contents = Cryptozoology - Hunting for the Thunderbird<br /> |category1 = Cryptozoology<br /> }} --&gt;<br /> |-<br /> {{5X5 list entry<br /> |episode = 7<br /> |date = Feb 17 2008<br /> |contents = The panel discusses a proposed center for exorcism in Poland <br /> |category1 = Ghosts &amp; 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