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SGU Episode 4

2012-10-16T03:24:31Z

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== Introduction ==
S: Hello, and welcome to the Skeptics Guide To the Universe. This is your host Steven Novella. Today is June 15th, 2005. With me this week are Perry D'Angelis,

P: Y'ello!

S: Evan Bernstein,

E: Hello everyone

S: and Robert Novella

R: Good evening, everyone.

== News Items ==
=== Kansas School Board Follow-Up (0:21) ===
S: First a little follow-up on our favourite story in the news this month, the evolution debate in Kansas; the board still has yet to make a final decision, but they are, umm, fighting with each other. The three moderate members of the board lashed out against the conservative members who are proposing the changes to the science standards. You might remember in 1999, I believe it was, Kansas had voted to remove evolution from the, the uh science standards in that state. The 2000 elections saw some of the conservative, more conservative members removed, and the new board reinstated the evolution friendly standards. In 2004, however, the conservatives again, uh, seized a majority of the Kansas school boards, and now they are considering once again, either watering down treatment of evolution in the science standards or forcing criticism of evolution. Some say they are entertaining introducing Intelligent Design, which is a form of creationism into the standards. What's interesting, uh, in the past week is that is that the board members themselves are now fighting, uh, pretty diligently amongst themselves. One member, Bill Wagman, one of the more moderate members, he told the three most conservative members, the ones who are proposing the changes, that they were all dupes of Intelligent Design advocates. He said that Intelligent Design was based upon absolute and total fraud.

P: Sounds like a bright guy

S: Sounds like a bright guy. Unfortunately, he and his are in the minority. Connie Waras who was the most outspoken of the conservative members, criticized the moderate members for not attending the meetings when the Intelligent Design proponents were giving their testimony. She said "Had you attended, you would have been informed," Waras said, "You would be sitting here as informed individuals and not arrogantly calling us all dupes." Well, I actually doubt that. If they had bothered to sit through it they would be all the more flabbergasted at their fellow board members. So this is a story we will be following, um

P: You know, I wonder, the article uses the terms 'Conservative' and 'Moderate', I, uh, it says in 2004 the conservatives are able to take over after the election. I wonder if that comes down on party lines -- of the two national parties. I wonder if the term conservative, in this instance, is used you, uhh, you know, to mean republican and moderate to mean...

S: I'm not sure. I mean clearly, socially conservative vs. socially moderate but I don't know if, um, [inaudible due to P] republican or democratic lines.

P: Perhaps I'll try to find that out

S: So they, they did not yet make a decision, their decision will be put off until August

E: Well, does that help, uh does that, uh help the cause or does that hinder the cause?

S: I think, I don't know, I think that if it stays in the news cycle and, uh, criticism remains focused on the board, that will work to our advantage. If the, if the story fades into the background and the board does not feel that public attention is being paid to them that they may feel, you know, more bold about watering down evolution standards, so we'll see.

P: If I had to guess, I would say that the, it gonna stay, uh, more in the news then not.

S: Probably

P: If I had to guess I think there's gonna be more focus on it.

S: Depends on what else is happening in the news, I guess, over the summer.

P: Certainly that's true, but I mean, almost every week there's something in the Associated Press about it.

S: But it's, apparently the uh, the anti-evolution board members have a 6 to 4 majority so, unless considerable pressure is brought to bear they will probably be voting that way.

== Science or Fiction (2:23) ==
S: So it's time again for our "Science of Fiction" segment. Last week was the first installment

== News Items 2 ==
=== Earth-like planet discovered (X:XX) ===

== This week's topic ==
=== Alternative Theories of Matter (X:XX) ===

== References ==
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SGU Episode 4

2012-10-16T03:23:57Z

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== Introduction ==
S: Hello, and welcome to the Skeptics Guide To the Universe. This is your host Steven Novella. Today is June 15th, 2005. With me this week are Perry D'Angelos,

P: Y'ello!

S: Evan Bernstein,

E: Hello everyone

S: and Robert Novella

R: Good evening, everyone.

== News Items ==
=== Kansas School Board Follow-Up (0:21) ===
S: First a little follow-up on our favourite story in the news this month, the evolution debate in Kansas; the board still has yet to make a final decision, but they are, umm, fighting with each other. The three moderate members of the board lashed out against the conservative members who are proposing the changes to the science standards. You might remember in 1999, I believe it was, Kansas had voted to remove evolution from the, the uh science standards in that state. The 2000 elections saw some of the conservative, more conservative members removed, and the new board reinstated the evolution friendly standards. In 2004, however, the conservatives again, uh, seized a majority of the Kansas school boards, and now they are considering once again, either watering down treatment of evolution in the science standards or forcing criticism of evolution. Some say they are entertaining introducing Intelligent Design, which is a form of creationism into the standards. What's interesting, uh, in the past week is that is that the board members themselves are now fighting, uh, pretty diligently amongst themselves. One member, Bill Wagman, one of the more moderate members, he told the three most conservative members, the ones who are proposing the changes, that they were all dupes of Intelligent Design advocates. He said that Intelligent Design was based upon absolute and total fraud.

P: Sounds like a bright guy

S: Sounds like a bright guy. Unfortunately, he and his are in the minority. Connie Waras who was the most outspoken of the conservative members, criticized the moderate members for not attending the meetings when the Intelligent Design proponents were giving their testimony. She said "Had you attended, you would have been informed," Waras said, "You would be sitting here as informed individuals and not arrogantly calling us all dupes." Well, I actually doubt that. If they had bothered to sit through it they would be all the more flabbergasted at their fellow board members. So this is a story we will be following, um

P: You know, I wonder, the article uses the terms 'Conservative' and 'Moderate', I, uh, it says in 2004 the conservatives are able to take over after the election. I wonder if that comes down on party lines -- of the two national parties. I wonder if the term conservative, in this instance, is used you, uhh, you know, to mean republican and moderate to mean...

S: I'm not sure. I mean clearly, socially conservative vs. socially moderate but I don't know if, um, [inaudible due to P] republican or democratic lines.

P: Perhaps I'll try to find that out

S: So they, they did not yet make a decision, their decision will be put off until August

E: Well, does that help, uh does that, uh help the cause or does that hinder the cause?

S: I think, I don't know, I think that if it stays in the news cycle and, uh, criticism remains focused on the board, that will work to our advantage. If the, if the story fades into the background and the board does not feel that public attention is being paid to them that they may feel, you know, more bold about watering down evolution standards, so we'll see.

P: If I had to guess, I would say that the, it gonna stay, uh, more in the news then not.

S: Probably

P: If I had to guess I think there's gonna be more focus on it.

S: Depends on what else is happening in the news, I guess, over the summer.

P: Certainly that's true, but I mean, almost every week there's something in the Associated Press about it.

S: But it's, apparently the uh, the anti-evolution board members have a 6 to 4 majority so, unless considerable pressure is brought to bear they will probably be voting that way.

== Science or Fiction (2:23) ==
S: So it's time again for our "Science of Fiction" segment. Last week was the first installment

== News Items 2 ==
=== Earth-like planet discovered (X:XX) ===

== This week's topic ==
=== Alternative Theories of Matter (X:XX) ===

== References ==
<references/>

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SGU Episode 4

2012-10-16T02:57:09Z

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SGU Episode 4

2012-10-16T02:55:58Z

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SGU Episode 4

2012-10-16T02:54:19Z

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SGU Episode 4

2012-10-16T02:54:09Z

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== Introduction ==
S: Hello, and welcome to the Skeptics Guide To the Universe. This is your host Steven Novella. Today is June 15th, 2005. With me this week are Perry D'Angelos,

P: Y'ello!

S: Evan Bernstein,

E: Hello everyone

S: and Robert Novella

R: Good evening, everyone.

== News Items ==
=== Kansas School Board Follow-Up (0:21) ===
S: First a little follow-up on our favourite story in the news this month, the evolution debate in Kansas; the board still has yet to make a final decision, but they are, umm, fighting with each other. The three moderate members of the board lashed out against the conservative members who are proposing the changes to the science standards. You might remember in 1999, I believe it was, Kansas had voted to remove evolution from the, the uh science standards in that state. The 2000 elections saw some of the conservative, more conservative members removed, and the new board reinstated the evolution friendly standards. In 2004, however, the conservatives again, uh, seized a majority of the Kansas school boards, and now they are considering once again, either watering down treatment of evolution in the science standards or forcing criticism of evolution. Some say they are entertaining introducing Intelligent Design, which is a form of creationism into the standards. What's interesting, uh, in the past week is that is that the board members themselves are now fighting, uh, pretty diligently amongst themselves. One member, Bill Wagman, one of the more moderate members, he told the three most conservative members, the ones who are proposing the changes, that they were all dupes of Intelligent Design advocates. He said that Intelligent Design was based upon absolute and total fraud.

PD: Sounds like a bright guy

SN: Sounds like a bright guy. Unfortunately, he and his are in the minority. Connie Waras who was the most outspoken of the conservative members, criticized the moderate members for not attending the meetings when the Intelligent Design proponents were giving their testimony. She said "Had you attended, you would have been informed," Waras said, "You would be sitting here as informed individuals and not arrogantly calling us all dupes." Well, I actually doubt that. If they had bothered to sit through it they would be all the more flabbergasted at their fellow board members. So this is a story we will be following, um

=== Earth-like planet discovered (X:XX) ===

== Science or Fiction (X:XX) ==

== This week's topic ==
=== Alternative Theories of Matter (X:XX) ===

== References ==
<references/>

{{Navigation}}

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2012-10-16T02:49:13Z

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2012-10-16T02:48:17Z

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== Introduction ==
S: Hello, and welcome to the Skeptics Guide To the Universe. This is your host Steven Novella. Today is June 15th, 2005. With me this week are Perry D'Angelos,

P: Y'ello!

S: Evan Bernstein,

E: Hello everyone

S: and Robert Novella

R: Good evening, everyone.

== News Items ==
=== Kansas School Board Follow-Up (0:21) ===
S: First a little follow-up on our favourite story in the news this month, the evolution debate in Kansas; the board still has yet to make a final decision, but they are, umm, fighting with each other. The three moderate members of the board lashed out against the conservative members who are proposing the changes to the science standards. You might remember in 1999, I believe it was, Kansas had voted to remove evolution from the, the uh science standards in that state. The 2000 elections saw some of the conservative, more conservative members removed, and the new board reinstated the evolution friendly standards. In 2004, however, the conservatives again, uh, seized a majority of the Kansas school boards, and now they are considering once again, either watering down treatment of evolution in the science standards or forcing criticism of evolution. Some say they are entertaining introducing Intelligent Design, which is a form of creationism into the standards. What's interesting, uh, in the past week is that is that the board members themselves are now fighting, uh, pretty diligently amongst themselves. One member, Bill Wagman, one of the more moderate members, he told the three most conservative members, the ones who are proposing the changes, that they were all dupes of Intelligent Design advocates. He said that Intelligent Design was based upon absolute and total fraud.

PD: Sounds like a bright guy

SN: Sounds like a bright guy. Unfortunately, he and his are in the minority. Connie Waras who was the most outspoken of the conservative members, criticized the moderate members for not attending the meetings when the Intelligent Design proponents were giving their testimony. She said "Had you attended, you would have been informed," Waras said, "You would be sitting here as informed individuals and not arrogantly calling us all dupes." Well, I actually doubt that. If they had bothered to sit through it they would be all the more flabbergasted at their fellow board members. So this is a story we will be following, um

=== Earth-like planet discovered (X:XX) ===

== Science or Fiction (X:XX) ==

== This week's topic ==
=== Alternative Theories of Matter (X:XX) ===

== References ==
<references/>

{{Navigation}}

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* [[SGU Episode 378]], Oct 13 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 377]], Oct 6 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 376]], Sep 29 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 375]], Sep 22 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 374]], Sep 15 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 373]], Sep 8 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 372]], Sep 1 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 371]], Aug 25 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 370]], Aug 18 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 369]], Aug 11 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 368]], Aug 4 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 367]], Jul 28 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 366]], Jul 21 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 365]], Jul 14 2012
* [[SGU Episode 364]], Jul 7 2012 {{tick}}
* [[SGU Episode 363]], Jun 30 2012 {{tick}}
* [[SGU Episode 362]], Jun 23 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 361]], Jun 16 2012
* [[SGU Episode 360]], Jun 9 2012 {{tick}}
* [[SGU Episode 359]], Jun 2 2012
* [[SGU Episode 358]], May 26 2012
* [[SGU Episode 357]], May 19 2012
* [[SGU Episode 356]], May 12 2012
* [[SGU Episode 355]], May 5 2012
* [[SGU Episode 354]], Apr 28 2012
* [[SGU Episode 353]], Apr 21 2012
* [[SGU Episode 352]], Apr 14 2012
* [[SGU Episode 351]], Apr 7 2012
* [[SGU Episode 350]], Mar 31 2012 {{tick}}
* [[SGU Episode 349]], Mar 24 2012 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 348]], Mar 17 2012
* [[SGU Episode 347]], Mar 10 2012
* [[SGU Episode 346]], Mar 3 2012
* [[SGU Episode 339]], Jan 14 2012
* [[SGU Episode 338]], Jan 7 2012 {{tick}}

<big>'''2011'''</big>
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* [[SGU Episode 328]], Oct 29 2011
* [[SGU Episode 320]], Aug 29 2011
* [[SGU Episode 308]], Jun 08 2011 {{Open}}
|valign="top" style=white-space:nowrap|<big>'''2010'''</big>
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* [[SGU Episode 271]], Sep 22 2010
* [[SGU Episode 260]], Jun 30 2010 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 252]], May 12 2010

<big>'''2009'''</big>
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* [[SGU Episode 185]], Feb 4 2009 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 184]], Jan 28 2009

<big>'''2008'''</big>
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* [[SGU Episode 165]], Sep 17 2008
* [[SGU Episode 156]], Jul 16 2008 {{tick}}
* [[SGU Episode 146]], May 7 2008
* [[SGU Episode 144]], Apr 23 2008 {{tick}}
* [[SGU Episode 140]], Mar 26 2008 {{i}}

<big>'''2007'''</big>
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* [[SGU Episode 123]], Nov 28, 2007 {{Open}}
* [[SGU Episode 109]], Aug 24, 2007
* [[SGU Episode 105]], Jul 25, 2007 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 97]], May 30 2007 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 79]], Jan 24, 2007

<big>'''2006'''</big>
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* [[SGU Episode 62]], Sep 27 2006
* [[SGU Episode 47]], Jun 14 2006 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 46]], Jun 7 2006 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 31]], Feb 22 2006 {{Open}}

<big>'''2005'''</big>
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* [[SGU Episode 6]], July 7 2005 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 5]], Jun 29 2005
* [[SGU Episode 4]], Jun 15 2005 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 3]], Jun 7 2005 {{i}}
* [[SGU Episode 2]], Jun 1 2005
* [[SGU Episode 1]], May 4 2005 {{tick}}
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